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Horse profile

Erstwhile (FR)

5yo mare (at last run, Jun 2005) · Last trainer Mlle H Van Zuylen · Last owner R Craddock
by Desert Prince (IRE) out of Urmia (GB) (Persian Bold)
1 run · 1 course · from Jun 2005
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 1 Jun 2005 — 7,811 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2005 · 3rd of 4
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 1 archived start in Jun 2005 as a 5yo mare. Finished 3 of 4 at Longchamp (FR) last time. By Desert Prince (IRE), whose progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 2,734 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 1 archived run · updated 21 Oct 2026

Progeny in our archive

Produce record

As a dam, Erstwhile (FR) has 6 produce in the archive, 3 winners — most wins Sikeeb (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 6f–1m; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Sikeeb (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Sikeeb (IRE)726f–7fClass 3
Desiderata (IRE)2311m—
Gypsie Queen (IRE)1617f—
Porterman (IRE)200——
Miss Hamda (IRE)30——
Previous Acclaim (IRE)190——

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

No KTB Rating figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Desert Prince (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 2,734 runs since Jan 2008 (178 horses).

Weakest over 1m – 1m1f (all codes): 5.6% from 425.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm34617.6%+8.5—
Good to Firm486469.5%+0.4—
Good692578.2%−0.90 from 1
Good to Soft328319.5%+0.4—
Soft3863910.1%+1—
Heavy168137.7%−1.4—
Standard (AW)640568.8%−0.3—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f108109.3%+0.2—
6f – 7f456408.8%−0.3—
1m – 1m1f425245.6%−3.5—
1m2f – 1m4f5745910.3%+1.20 from 1
1m5f – 2m643629.6%+0.5—
2m1f – 2m4f3883910.1%+1—
2m5f – 3m1251310.4%+1.3—
Over 3m1516.7%−2.4—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Urmia (GB) (Persian Bold)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Romantic Girl (IRE)90——

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt Jockey SP
01 Jun 05 Longchamp (FR) Prix du Chateau d'Eau (Claimer) 12f · Good · 4 ran 3/4 hd 8-12 M Blancpain —

Quick answers

How many races has Erstwhile (FR) won?
Erstwhile (FR) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2005.
Who trained Erstwhile (FR)?
Erstwhile (FR) was trained by Mlle H Van Zuylen on the most recent run on record, at Longchamp (FR) on 1 June 2005.
Who is Erstwhile (FR)'s sire?
Erstwhile (FR) is by Desert Prince (IRE) out of Urmia (GB), whose sire is Persian Bold.
What is Erstwhile (FR)'s sire's record?
Desert Prince (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 2,734 runs since Jan 2008 (178 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 1m – 1m1f (all codes): 5.6% from 425.
Who are Erstwhile (FR)'s siblings?
Out of Urmia (GB), Erstwhile (FR) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.
Has Erstwhile (FR) produced winners?
As a dam, Erstwhile (FR) has 6 produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Sikeeb (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Sikeeb (IRE)). The wins came over 6f–1m. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from June 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.