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Horse profile

Dreaming The Dream (GB)

6yo gelding (at last run, Jan 2017) · Last trainer Jean McGregor · Last owner Tom Carruthers
by Septieme Ciel (USA) out of Red Typhoon (GB) (Belfort)
2 runs · 2 courses · from Dec 2016
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 3 Jan 2017 — 3,592 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jan 2017 · 11th of 12
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 2 archived starts between Dec 2016 and Jan 2017, the last of them as a 6yo gelding. Finished 11 of 12 at Musselburgh last time. By Septieme Ciel (USA), whose progeny in our archive have won 6.9% of 391 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 2 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed — no A or B graded figure in the last 3 runs; the figures below carry grade C

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 57C · median 55.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good1———
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m257C55.5—

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 2 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 91C the best of the last 2 rated runs · Musselburgh, 3 Jan 2017

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 91C · median 90.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good1———
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m291C90.5—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 2 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Septieme Ciel (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 6.9% of 391 runs since Jan 2008 (52 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm300%−6.9—
Good to Firm2528%+1.1—
Good9955.1%−1.80 from 1
Good to Soft6134.9%−2—
Soft7933.8%−3.10 from 1
Heavy25624%+17.1—
Standard (AW)9988.1%+1.2—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1218.3%+1.4—
6f – 7f7168.5%+1.6—
1m – 1m1f5000%−6.9—
1m2f – 1m4f811113.6%+6.7—
1m5f – 2m7556.7%−0.20 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f8333.6%−3.3—
2m5f – 3m1815.6%−1.3—
Over 3m100%−6.9—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Red Typhoon (GB) (Belfort)

6 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Silver Crest (GB) (1 win).

The wins came over 5f–1m2f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Silver Crest (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Silver Crest (GB)615fClass 5
Lowestoft Playboy (GB)1511m2fClass 6
Silver Spruce (GB)1211m2fClass 5
Scarlet Blade (GB)60——
Ocean's Glacier (GB)10——
Redwood Blade (GB)20——

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt SpdKTB Jockey SP
2017 · 1 run
03 Jan 17+29d Musselburgh racinguk.com Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 1m7½f · Good · 12 ran 11/12 shd 11-0 54C91C Stephen Mulqueen 100/1
2016 · 1 run
05 Dec 16 Ayr Racing UK HD Intermediate Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 2m · Soft · 15 ran 15/15 22 10-12 57C90C Sean Quinlan 200/1

Quick answers

How many races has Dreaming The Dream won?
Dreaming The Dream (GB) has yet to win, from 2 archived starts between 2016 and 2017.
Who trained Dreaming The Dream?
Dreaming The Dream (GB) was trained by Jean McGregor on the most recent run on record, at Musselburgh on 3 January 2017.
Who is Dreaming The Dream's sire?
Dreaming The Dream (GB) is by Septieme Ciel (USA) out of Red Typhoon (GB), whose sire is Belfort.
What is Dreaming The Dream's sire's record?
Septieme Ciel (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 6.9% of 391 runs since Jan 2008 (52 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Dreaming The Dream's siblings?
Out of Red Typhoon (GB), Dreaming The Dream (GB) has 6 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Silver Crest (GB) (1). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Silver Crest (GB)). The wins came over 5f–1m2f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from December 2016. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.