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Hidden Discounts (GB)

4yo gelding (at last run, Mar 2013) · Last trainer David Pipe · Last owner Stef Stefanou
by Echo Of Light (GB) out of Deep Ravine (USA) (Gulch)
2 runs · 2 courses · from Feb 2013
As at 27 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 6 Mar 2013 — 4,983 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2013 · 7th of 10 First-time headgear LTO
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 2 archived starts between Feb 2013 and Mar 2013, the last of them as a 4yo gelding. Finished 7 of 10 at Fontwell last time. By Echo Of Light (GB), whose progeny in our archive have won 9.6% of 1,633 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 2 archived runs · updated 27 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 86C the best of the last 2 rated runs · Fontwell, 6 Mar 2013

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 86C · median 82.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
Good1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f1———
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 2 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 9.6% of 1,633 runs since Jan 2008 (126 horses).

Strongest on good going: 12.6% from 373. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 4.4% from 160.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm7114.3%+4.7—
Good to Firm207199.2%−0.4—
Good3734712.6%+30 from 1
Good to Soft162138%−1.6—
Soft339329.4%−0.2—
Heavy1411712.1%+2.50 from 1
Standard (AW)404276.7%−2.9—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f49612.2%+2.6—
6f – 7f3814110.8%+1.2—
1m – 1m1f367287.6%−2—
1m2f – 1m4f2612610%+0.4—
1m5f – 2m3163210.1%+0.50 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f16074.4%−5.20 from 1
2m5f – 3m651015.4%+5.8—
Over 3m34617.6%+8—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Deep Ravine (USA) (Gulch)

4 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Copper Canyon (GB) (2 wins).

The wins came over 1m1½f–1m4f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Copper Canyon (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Copper Canyon (GB)1121m1½f–1m4fClass 5
I Certainly May (GB)280——
Queen's Ovation (GB)20——
Naughty Natz (GB)30——

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2013 · 2 runs
06 Mar 13+22d Fontwell 'Happy Birthday' Angela Bray Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 17.5f · Good · 10 ran 7/10 2¼ 10-9 86C Tom Scudamore 16/1
12 Feb 13 Ayr BetVictor Exclusive Antepost Offers Cheltenham 2013 Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Heavy · 7 ran 6/7 38 10-7 79C Tom Scudamore 4/1

Quick answers

How many races has Hidden Discounts won?
Hidden Discounts (GB) has yet to win, from 2 archived starts in 2013.
Who trained Hidden Discounts?
Hidden Discounts (GB) was trained by David Pipe on the most recent run on record, at Fontwell on 6 March 2013.
Who is Hidden Discounts's sire?
Hidden Discounts (GB) is by Echo Of Light (GB) out of Deep Ravine (USA), whose sire is Gulch.
What is Hidden Discounts's sire's record?
Echo Of Light (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.6% of 1,633 runs since Jan 2008 (126 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good going: 12.6% from 373. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 4.4% from 160.
Who are Hidden Discounts's siblings?
Out of Deep Ravine (USA), Hidden Discounts (GB) has 4 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Copper Canyon (GB) (2). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Copper Canyon (GB)). The wins came over 1m1½f–1m4f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from February 2013. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.