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Horse profile

If And When (GB)

6yo gelding (at last run, Aug 2014) · Last trainer Richard Price · Last owner Mrs V J Morse
by Where Or When (IRE) out of Pardon Moi (GB) (First Trump)
10 runs · 9 courses · from Jan 2012
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 22 Aug 2014 — 4,443 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Aug 2014 Last raced off OR 66
KTB Profile

If And When (GB) is yet to win from 10 starts. Last raced off a career-high mark of 66.

Based on 10 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 92C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Newton Abbot, 7 Jul 2014 Official rating 66 at the last run, 22 Aug 2014

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 6 figures · best 92C · median 75
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Good292C84.5—
Good to Firm1———
Soft1———
Standard (AW)1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m477C72.5—
2m1f – 2m4f292C88—

Of 10 runs looked at, 4 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (4).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 6 figures from 10 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Where Or When (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 1,578 runs since Jan 2008 (124 horses).

Weakest on soft going: 4.1% from 217. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 4.6% from 151.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm18211.1%+1.9—
Good to Firm258238.9%−0.30 from 1
Good365359.6%+0.40 from 4
Good to Soft1932211.4%+2.20 from 1
Soft21794.1%−5.10 from 2
Heavy841011.9%+2.70 from 1
Standard (AW)443449.9%+0.70 from 1
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f53815.1%+5.9—
6f – 7f15174.6%−4.6—
1m – 1m1f209157.2%−2—
1m2f – 1m4f5226211.9%+2.7—
1m5f – 2m391359%−0.20 from 6
2m1f – 2m4f174126.9%−2.30 from 3
2m5f – 3m7168.5%−0.70 from 1
Over 3m700%−9.2—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Pardon Moi (GB) (First Trump)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Avec Moi (GB)360——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 4 0 0% −4.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Good to Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Standard (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 4 0 0% −4.00
Class 5 3 0 0% −3.00
Class 6 3 0 0% −3.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Fakenham 2 0 0% −2.00
Ffos Las 1 0 0% −1.00
Worcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Stratford 1 0 0% −1.00
Newton Abbot 1 0 0% −1.00
Leicester 1 0 0% −1.00
Warwick 1 0 0% −1.00
Southwell (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 6 0 0% −6.00
2m1f – 2m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
2m5f – 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Conor Shoemark 3 0 0% −3.00
Colin Bolger 2 0 0% −2.00
Nick Scholfield 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr Geoff Barfoot-Saunt 1 0 0% −1.00
Mark Marris 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr Matthew Smith 1 0 0% −1.00
Alex Merriam 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 6 0 0% −6.00
Tongue tie 3 0 0% −3.00
Tongue tie + cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2014 5 0 0% −5.00
2012 5 0 0% −5.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 4 0 0% −4.00
Hurdle 4 0 0% −4.00
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
22 Aug 14+24d Ffos Las CP Hire Handicap Chase Class 4 · 21f · Good · 7 ran PU/7 — 9-11 66— Conor Shoemark 25/1
29 Jul 14+9d Worcester Bathroom Studio & Ideal Construction Handicap Chase Class 5 · 16.5f · Good To Firm · 6 ran 5/6 3½ 9-9 5261B Conor Shoemark 8/1
20 Jul 14+13d Stratford Jackie Ebsworth Memorial Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 17f · Good To Soft · 7 ran UR/7 — 9-9 52— Conor Shoemark 20/1
07 Jul 14+144d Newton Abbot Visit Newton Abbot Racecourse On Facebook Maiden Hurdle Class 5 · 18.5f · Good · 12 ran 9/12 44 11-0 —92C Nick Scholfield 125/1
13 Feb 14+646d Leicester CGA Foxhunter Trial Novices' Hunters' Chase (For The Dick Saunders Trophy) Class 6 · 20f · Soft · 10 ran 8/10 11 12-0 —84C Mr Geoff Barfoot-Saunt 150/1
08 May 12+53d Fakenham Bhest Racing To School Selling Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Soft · 7 ran PU/7 — 10-8 —— Colin Bolger 200/1
16 Mar 12+21d Fakenham Say Yes To Better Broadband Conditional Jockeys' Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 16f · Good · 11 ran PU/11 — 10-5 —— Mark Marris 200/1
24 Feb 12+12d Warwick Charlie Longsdon Racing Juvenile Hurdle Class 4 · 16f · Good · 12 ran 12/12 5 10-5 —77C Mr Matthew Smith 125/1
12 Feb 12+16d Southwell (AW) Blue Square Winter Carnival iPhone App Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 16f · Standard To Slow · 11 ran 11/11 5 10-5 —72C Alex Merriam 100/1
27 Jan 12 Fontwell digibet.com Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 13.5f · Heavy · 10 ran 9/10 15 10-7 —73C Colin Bolger 66/1

Quick answers

How many races has If And When (GB) won?
If And When (GB) has yet to win, from 10 archived starts between 2012 and 2014.
Who trained If And When (GB)?
If And When (GB) was trained by Richard Price on the most recent run on record, at Ffos Las on 22 August 2014.
Who is If And When (GB)'s sire?
If And When (GB) is by Where Or When (IRE) out of Pardon Moi (GB), whose sire is First Trump.
What is If And When (GB)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 66, from the run on 22 August 2014. That is also the highest on record.
What is If And When (GB)'s sire's record?
Where Or When (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 1,578 runs since Jan 2008 (124 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on soft going: 4.1% from 217. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 4.6% from 151.
Who are If And When (GB)'s siblings?
Out of Pardon Moi (GB), If And When (GB) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from January 2012. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.