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Horse profile

If Not For You (IRE)

8yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2016) · Last trainer Edward P Harty · Last owner John P Mcmanus
by Celtic Swing (GB) out of Ker Lani (FR) (Ashkalani)
12 runs · 9 courses · from Aug 2013
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 31 Oct 2016 — 3,656 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2016 · 8th of 11 3 wins · Clonmel, Gowran Park & Killarney First-time headgear LTO Last raced off OR 117
KTB Profile

If Not For You (IRE) is 3 from 12. Hasn't won since Dec 2014.

Based on 12 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026
Official rating117↓ 6lb off peak
117 112–123

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed — no A or B graded figure in the last 3 runs; the figures below carry grade C

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 1 run · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 104C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Tipperary, 17 Apr 2015 Official rating 117 at the last run, 31 Oct 2016

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 10 figures · best 132A · median 102.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Soft4132A110—
Good to Soft2115A102.5—
Good2112A108—
Good to Firm2100A95.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
2m1f – 2m4f6119A102.5—
1m5f – 2m3132A115—
2m5f – 3m1———

Of 12 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (2).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 10 figures from 12 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Celtic Swing (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.3% of 2,248 runs since Jan 2008 (160 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm11327.3%+18—
Good to Firm389318%−1.30 from 2
Good5576311.3%+21 from 2
Good to Soft275238.4%−0.90 from 2
Soft416389.1%−0.22 from 5
Heavy157127.6%−1.70 from 1
Standard (AW)443398.8%−0.5—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f3213.1%−6.2—
6f – 7f425358.2%−1.1—
1m – 1m1f438409.1%−0.2—
1m2f – 1m4f5445910.8%+1.5—
1m5f – 2m432378.6%−0.71 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f2813211.4%+2.12 from 7
2m5f – 3m9033.3%−60 from 2
Over 3m6233.3%+24—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Ker Lani (FR) (Ashkalani)

1 sibling in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Ibanhui (IRE) (1 win).

The wins came over 2m1½f.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Ibanhui (IRE)412m1½f—

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 5 2 40% +8.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 2 1 50% +7.00
Good to Firm 2 0 0% −2.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Killarney 2 1 50% +7.00
Cork 2 0 0% −2.00
Gowran Park 2 1 50% +2.00
Galway 1 0 0% −1.00
Kilbeggan 1 0 0% −1.00
Tipperary 1 0 0% −1.00
Clonmel 1 1 100% +8.00
Thurles 1 0 0% −1.00
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 7 2 29% +6.00
1m5f – 2m 3 1 33% +6.00
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Mark Walsh 8 2 25% +5.00
Niall P Madden 2 0 0% −2.00
Mr P Power 2 1 50% +7.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 11 3 27% +11.00
Tongue tie 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2016 2 0 0% −2.00
2015 3 0 0% −3.00
2014 5 2 40% +8.00
2013 2 1 50% +7.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 6 1 17% +3.00
Hurdle 4 1 25% +0.00
NH Flat 2 1 50% +7.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2016 · 2 runs
31 Oct 16+73d Galway Ennis Lifts Handicap Chase 2m6½f · Yielding · 11 ran 8/11 1¾ 10-6 11755C90C Mark Walsh 20/1
19 Aug 16+466d Kilbeggan At The Races Handicap Hurdle (80-116) 2m · Good To Yielding · 10 ran 10/10 27 11-8 112—90C Mark Walsh 10/1
2015 · 3 runs
11 May 15+24d Killarney Mcsweeney Arms Hotel Killarney National Handicap Chase 2m6f · Yielding · 9 ran PU/9 — 10-6 121—— Niall P Madden 8/1
17 Apr 15+104d Tipperary Fundraising Events At Tipperary Races Rated Novice Chase 2m1f · Good · 4 ran 3/4 7 11-7 123—104C Niall P Madden 2/1F
03 Jan 15+30d Cork Mccarthy Insurance Group Handicap Chase 2m4f · Heavy · 5 ran F/5 — 11-5 123—— Mark Walsh 2/1F
2014 · 5 runs
04 Dec 14+14d Clonmel Clonmel Racecourse Supporters Club Only 85 Beginners Chase 2m · Soft · 15 ran 1/15 11-12 ——132A Mark Walsh 8/1
20 Nov 14+47d Thurles www.thurlesraces.ie Beginners Chase 2m2f · Soft · 16 ran 3/16 29 11-12 ——101C Mark Walsh 14/1
04 Oct 14+58d Gowran Park Rooftop Racing Packages At Gowran Park Maiden Hurdle 2m4f · Yielding · 8 ran 1/8 11-12 ——119A Mark Walsh 3/1
07 Aug 14+47d Sligo Easyfix Rubber Products Maiden Hurdle 2m · Good To Yielding · 11 ran 2/11 7 11-12 ——115A Mark Walsh 4/1
21 Jun 14+296d Gowran Park www.kilkennypembrokehotel.com Maiden Hurdle 2m4f · Good To Firm · 18 ran 6/18 2¾ 11-12 ——91C Mark Walsh 7/2
2013 · 2 runs
29 Aug 13+24d Killarney Seamusweldon.com Flat Race 2m1f · Good · 16 ran 1/16 11-7 ——112A Mr P Power 8/1
05 Aug 13 Cork Follow Us On Facebook Flat Race 2m3f · Good To Firm · 20 ran 8/20 nse 11-7 ——100A Mr P Power 7/2J

Quick answers

How many races has If Not For You won?
If Not For You (IRE) won 3 of 12 archived starts between 2013 and 2016, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 5 times in total (41.7% of starts).
Who trained If Not For You?
If Not For You (IRE) was trained by Edward P Harty on the most recent run on record, at Galway on 31 October 2016.
Who is If Not For You's sire?
If Not For You (IRE) is by Celtic Swing (GB) out of Ker Lani (FR), whose sire is Ashkalani.
What going does If Not For You prefer?
If Not For You (IRE) has the best record on soft going: 2 wins from 5 starts (40%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is If Not For You's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 117, from the run on 31 October 2016. The highest on record is 123.
What is If Not For You's sire's record?
Celtic Swing (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.3% of 2,248 runs since Jan 2008 (160 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are If Not For You's siblings?
Out of Ker Lani (FR), If Not For You (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Ibanhui (IRE) (1). The wins came over 2m1½f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from August 2013. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.