Ifandbutwhen (IRE)
Lightly raced, with 1 archived start in Sep 2017 as a 5yo gelding. Finished 8 of 8 at Navan last time. By Baltic King (GB), whose progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 1,458 runs since Jan 2008.
- 0–1Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 0 (0%)Placed
- −1.00£1 level staken=1 at SP
KTB Speed and Rating
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
Of 1 run looked at, 1 has no figure: not enough races on the card to set the day (under 4) (1).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 1 run · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 1,458 runs since Jan 2008 (93 horses).
Weakest on soft going: 4.8% from 147. Weakest over 1m – 1m1f (all codes): 6.3% from 254.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 20 | 3 | 15% | +5.3 | — |
| Good to Firm | 253 | 28 | 11.1% | +1.4 | — |
| Good | 267 | 16 | 6% | −3.7 | — |
| Good to Soft | 151 | 11 | 7.3% | −2.4 | — |
| Soft | 147 | 7 | 4.8% | −4.9 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 50 | 7 | 14% | +4.3 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 570 | 70 | 12.3% | +2.6 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 228 | 24 | 10.5% | +0.8 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 693 | 77 | 11.1% | +1.4 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 254 | 16 | 6.3% | −3.4 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 168 | 16 | 9.5% | −0.2 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 81 | 6 | 7.4% | −2.3 | 0 from 1 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 28 | 3 | 10.7% | +1 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 6 | 0 | 0% | −9.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
4 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Ifandbutwhynot (IRE) (9 wins).
The wins came over 1m2f–2m4f; the highest grade won is Listed (Ifandbutwhynot (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ifandbutwhynot (IRE) | 54 | 9 | 1m7½f–2m½f | Listed |
| Ifandbutwhy (IRE) | 17 | 2 | 2m3½f–2m4f | Class 4 |
| Joy's Gift (IRE) | 28 | 1 | 2m | — |
| Cockney Tai (IRE) | 11 | 1 | 1m2f | — |
Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 23 Sep 17 | Navan | Meath Farm Machinery (pro/am) Flat Race | 8/8 | 54 | 11-7 | — | 62C | Mr B J Walsh | 20/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Ifandbutwhen (IRE) won?
- Ifandbutwhen (IRE) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2017.
- Who trained Ifandbutwhen (IRE)?
- Ifandbutwhen (IRE) was trained by Peter Maher on the most recent run on record, at Navan on 23 September 2017.
- Who is Ifandbutwhen (IRE)'s sire?
- Ifandbutwhen (IRE) is by Baltic King (GB) out of Cockney Ground (IRE), whose sire is Common Grounds.
- What is Ifandbutwhen (IRE)'s sire's record?
- Baltic King (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 1,458 runs since Jan 2008 (93 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on soft going: 4.8% from 147. Weakest over 1m – 1m1f (all codes): 6.3% from 254.
- Who are Ifandbutwhen (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Cockney Ground (IRE), Ifandbutwhen (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Ifandbutwhynot (IRE) (9). Highest grade won: Listed (Ifandbutwhynot (IRE)). The wins came over 1m2f–2m4f. As at Oct 2026.