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Horse profile

Say You Say Me (GB)

5yo mare (at last run, Aug 2022) · Last trainer Gordon Elliott · Last owner Mrs Paul Shanahan Mrs John Magnier
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Our Girl Salley (IRE) (Carroll House)
3 runs · 2 courses · from Jun 2022
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 13 Aug 2022 — 1,545 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Aug 2022 · 3rd of 11
KTB Profile

Say You Say Me is a Flemensfirth mare who showed placed form in two of her three starts over hurdles. She finished second of 13 at Worcester in Jun 2022 on her debut and third of 11 at Perth in Aug 2022 in a Class 4 maiden hurdle. All three runs came over 1m5f – 2m on good ground. She was aged 5 at her last run in Aug 2022.

Based on 3 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 138 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Worcester, 29 Jun 2022

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 138B · median 107
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Good3138B107—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m3138B107—

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 109A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Worcester, 29 Jun 2022

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 109A · median 105
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Good3109A105—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m3109A105—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,287 runs since Jan 2008 (1,595 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.9—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.3—
Good4,05744310.9%−10 from 3
Good to Soft2,93535412.1%+0.2—
Soft5,87675112.8%+0.9—
Heavy3,81744911.8%−0.1—
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.9—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.9—
1m5f – 2m4,48654812.2%+0.30 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f6,08272411.9%0—
2m5f – 3m5,26062311.8%−0.1—
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.2—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Our Girl Salley (IRE) (Carroll House)

2 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Black Tears (GB) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m–2m4f; the highest grade won is Grade 1 (Black Tears (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Black Tears (GB)2152m–2m4fGrade 1
As Tears Go By (GB)1932m–2m1½f—

Record by conditions

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 5 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Perth 2 0 0% −2.00
Worcester 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00
Hurdle 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt SpdKTB Jockey SP
2022 · 3 runs
13 Aug 22+17d Perth John Elliot 75 Today Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 2m · Good · 11 ran 3/11 9½ 10-11 107B105A Sean Bowen 16/5
27 Jul 22+28d Perth Join Racing TV Now Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 4 · 2m · Good · 6 ran 3/6 3 10-7 96A101B Sean Bowen EvensF
29 Jun 22 Worcester Sky Sports Racing Sky 415 Mares' Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 5 · 2m · Good · 13 ran 2/13 2¾ 11-0 138B109A Sean Bowen 11/8F

Quick answers

How many races has Say You Say Me won?
Say You Say Me (GB) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts in 2022. Placed 2 times in total (66.7% of starts).
Who trained Say You Say Me?
Say You Say Me (GB) was trained by Gordon Elliott on the most recent run on record, at Perth on 13 August 2022.
Who is Say You Say Me's sire?
Say You Say Me (GB) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Our Girl Salley (IRE), whose sire is Carroll House.
What is Say You Say Me's sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,287 runs since Jan 2008 (1,595 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Say You Say Me's siblings?
Out of Our Girl Salley (IRE), Say You Say Me (GB) has 2 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Black Tears (GB) (5). Highest grade won: Grade 1 (Black Tears (GB)). The wins came over 2m–2m4f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from June 2022. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.