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Horse profile

Shelly Bay (IRE)

4yo filly (at last run, Oct 2006) · Last trainer C Collins · Last owner Mrs C Collins
by Turtle Island (IRE) out of Second Guess (GB) (Ela-Mana-Mou)
5 runs · 4 courses · from May 2005
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 26 Oct 2006 — 7,315 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2006 · 8th of 15 Last raced off OR 47
KTB Profile

Shelly Bay (IRE) is yet to win from 5 starts.

Based on 5 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 41C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Thurles, 26 Oct 2006 Official rating 47 at the last run, 26 Oct 2006

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 4 figures · best 41C · median 22.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Soft241C36.5—
Good to Soft1———
Good to Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m – 1m1f241C21—
1m2f – 1m4f1———
6f – 7f1———

Of 5 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: no runner of known ability in the race — the level cannot be solved (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 5 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Turtle Island (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 7.5% of 3,325 runs since Jan 2008 (309 horses).

Strongest on good to firm going: 10.7% from 215.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm2428.3%+0.8—
Good to Firm2152310.7%+3.20 from 1
Good800607.5%0—
Good to Soft459408.7%+1.20 from 1
Soft1,001707%−0.50 from 2
Heavy786546.9%−0.60 from 1
Standard (AW)4000%−7.5—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f100%−7.5—
6f – 7f1100%−7.50 from 2
1m – 1m1f2314.3%−3.20 from 2
1m2f – 1m4f4137.3%−0.20 from 1
1m5f – 2m954818.5%+1—
2m1f – 2m4f1,144807%−0.5—
2m5f – 3m954727.5%0—
Over 3m197126.1%−1.4—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Second Guess (GB) (Ela-Mana-Mou)

1 sibling in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Springfort (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 7f–7½f.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Springfort (IRE)1727f–7½f—

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Tipperary 2 0 0% −2.00
Thurles 1 0 0% −1.00
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00
Killarney 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m – 1m1f 2 0 0% −2.00
6f – 7f 2 0 0% −2.00
1m2f – 1m4f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Elizabeth Sheehan 2 0 0% −2.00
D T Pratt 1 0 0% −1.00
P B Beggy 1 0 0% −1.00
Damien Moran 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2006 3 0 0% −3.00
2005 2 0 0% −2.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2006 · 3 runs
26 Oct 06+77d Thurles Apprentice Handicap (40-60) (Div 1) 1m · Yielding To Soft · 15 ran 8/15 ¾ 8-8 4741C D T Pratt 25/1
10 Aug 06+93d Sligo Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (40-70) Div 2 1m4f · Soft · 12 ran 12/12 1 8-10 5232C P B Beggy 20/1
09 May 06+320d Killarney M.D. O'Shea & Sons Handicap (40-60) (Div 2) 1m½f · Good To Yielding · 13 ran 8/13 4 8-13 521C Damien Moran 20/1
2005 · 2 runs
23 Jun 05+50d Tipperary Tipperary Town & District Traders Maiden 7½f · Good To Firm · 13 ran 7/13 nk 8-4 —13C Elizabeth Sheehan 25/1
04 May 05 Tipperary Irish Stallion Farms EBF Fillies Maiden 7½f · Soft To Heavy · 15 ran 7/15 3½ 8-7 —— Elizabeth Sheehan 25/1

Quick answers

How many races has Shelly Bay won?
Shelly Bay (IRE) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts between 2005 and 2006.
Who trained Shelly Bay?
Shelly Bay (IRE) was trained by C Collins on the most recent run on record, at Thurles on 26 October 2006.
Who is Shelly Bay's sire?
Shelly Bay (IRE) is by Turtle Island (IRE) out of Second Guess (GB), whose sire is Ela-Mana-Mou.
What is Shelly Bay's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 47, from the run on 26 October 2006. The highest on record is 52.
What is Shelly Bay's sire's record?
Turtle Island (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 7.5% of 3,325 runs since Jan 2008 (309 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to firm going: 10.7% from 215.
Who are Shelly Bay's siblings?
Out of Second Guess (GB), Shelly Bay (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Springfort (IRE) (2). The wins came over 7f–7½f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from May 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.