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Horse profile

Sum Say So (FR)

6yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2011) · Last trainer Anna Newton-Smith · Last owner Mrs H Norman
by Robin Des Pres (FR) out of Sa Majeste (FR) (Garde Royale)
3 runs · 3 courses · from May 2009
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 27 Oct 2011 — 5,480 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2011 New yard
KTB Profile

Sum Say So (FR) is yet to win from 3 starts.

Based on 3 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 86C the best of the last 2 rated runs · Roscommon, 8 Jun 2009

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 86C · median 86
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Firm1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m286C86—

Of 3 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Robin Des Pres (FR)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 2,800 runs since Jan 2008 (229 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm5120%+10.80 from 1
Good to Firm941819.1%+9.9—
Good1,0921019.2%0—
Good to Soft525468.8%−0.4—
Soft735719.7%+0.50 from 1
Heavy333216.3%−2.90 from 1
Standard (AW)1500%−9.2—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f400%−9.2—
1m2f – 1m4f1400%−9.2—
1m5f – 2m719659%−0.20 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f1,1051059.5%+0.3—
2m5f – 3m768688.9%−0.3—
Over 3m1902010.5%+1.30 from 1

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Sa Majeste (FR) (Garde Royale)

2 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Saint Godegrand (FR)160——
Salve (FR)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Roscommon 1 0 0% −1.00
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00
Over 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Marc Goldstein 1 0 0% −1.00
B M Cash 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr K H Clarke 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2011 1 0 0% −1.00
2009 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 2 0 0% −2.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2011 · 1 run
27 Oct 11+871d Fontwell Wellesley Wealth Advisory Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 25.5f · Soft · 8 ran PU/8 — 10-9 — Marc Goldstein 80/1
2009 · 2 runs
08 Jun 09+36d Roscommon Www.roscommonracecourse at eircom.net Maiden Hurdle 16f · Firm · 17 ran 13/17 nk 11-5 86C B M Cash 33/1
03 May 09 Sligo Www.countysligoraces.com (pro/am) Flat Race 16f · Heavy · 14 ran 11/14 ¾ 11-0 86C Mr K H Clarke 25/1

Quick answers

How many races has Sum Say So won?
Sum Say So (FR) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts between 2009 and 2011.
Who trained Sum Say So?
Sum Say So (FR) was trained by Anna Newton-Smith on the most recent run on record, at Fontwell on 27 October 2011.
Who is Sum Say So's sire?
Sum Say So (FR) is by Robin Des Pres (FR) out of Sa Majeste (FR), whose sire is Garde Royale.
What is Sum Say So's sire's record?
Robin Des Pres (FR)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 2,800 runs since Jan 2008 (229 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Sum Say So's siblings?
Out of Sa Majeste (FR), Sum Say So (FR) has 2 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from May 2009. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.