6yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2011)· Last trainer Anna Newton-Smith· Last owner Mrs H Norman
by Robin Des Pres (FR) out of Sa Majeste (FR) (Garde Royale)
3 runs · 3 courses · from May 2009
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 27 Oct 2011 — 5,480 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2011New yard
KTB Profile
Sum Say So (FR) is yet to win from 3 starts.
Based on 3 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
0–3Wins / Runs
0%Strike rate
0 (0%)Placed
−3.00£1 level staken=3 at SP
454dAvg between runs
KTB Speed and Rating
KTB Speed
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
KTB Rating
Best recent KTB Rating86Cthe best of the last 2 rated runs · Roscommon, 8 Jun 2009
What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →
Jumps 2 figures · best 86C · median 86
Going
Runs
Best
Median
Since 28 Oct 2025
Firm
1
—
—
—
Heavy
1
—
—
—
Distance
Runs
Best
Median
Since 28 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m
2
86C
86
—
Of 3 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).
KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Sire
Robin Des Pres (FR)
Progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 2,800 runs since Jan 2008 (229 horses).
Going
Runs
Wins
SR
vs sire
This horse
Firm
5
1
20%
+10.8
0 from 1
Good to Firm
94
18
19.1%
+9.9
—
Good
1,092
101
9.2%
0
—
Good to Soft
525
46
8.8%
−0.4
—
Soft
735
71
9.7%
+0.5
0 from 1
Heavy
333
21
6.3%
−2.9
0 from 1
Standard (AW)
15
0
0%
−9.2
—
Distance (all codes)
Runs
Wins
SR
vs sire
This horse
1m – 1m1f
4
0
0%
−9.2
—
1m2f – 1m4f
14
0
0%
−9.2
—
1m5f – 2m
719
65
9%
−0.2
0 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f
1,105
105
9.5%
+0.3
—
2m5f – 3m
768
68
8.9%
−0.3
—
Over 3m
190
20
10.5%
+1.3
0 from 1
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Sum Say So (FR) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts between 2009 and 2011.
Who trained Sum Say So?
Sum Say So (FR) was trained by Anna Newton-Smith on the most recent run on record, at Fontwell on 27 October 2011.
Who is Sum Say So's sire?
Sum Say So (FR) is by Robin Des Pres (FR) out of Sa Majeste (FR), whose sire is Garde Royale.
What is Sum Say So's sire's record?
Robin Des Pres (FR)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.2% of 2,800 runs since Jan 2008 (229 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Sum Say So's siblings?
Out of Sa Majeste (FR), Sum Say So (FR) has 2 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.
Sum Say So (FR)·0–3·SR 0%
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