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Horse profile

Would You Believe (IRE)

2yo gelding (at last run, Sep 2017) · Last trainer G M Lyons · Last owner Vincent Gaul
by Dream Ahead (USA) out of Queen Grace (IRE) (Choisir)
2 runs · 2 courses · from Aug 2017
As at 6 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 24 Sep 2017 — 3,329 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Sep 2017 Won at Curragh Beaten favourite LTO Last raced off OR 88
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 2 archived starts between Aug 2017 and Sep 2017, the last of them as a 2yo gelding. By Dream Ahead (USA), whose progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 5,710 runs since Apr 2015.

Based on 2 archived runs · updated 6 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed — no A or B graded figure in the last 3 runs; the figures below carry grade C

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

Of 2 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 2 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 90A the best of the last 1 rated run · Curragh, 19 Aug 2017 Official rating 88 at the last run, 24 Sep 2017

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

Of 2 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 2 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 5,710 runs since Apr 2015 (529 horses).

Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 6% from 184.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm29620.7%+11.6—
Good to Firm7047510.7%+1.6—
Good1,08612011%+1.9—
Good to Soft691629%−0.1—
Soft839637.5%−1.61 from 2
Heavy299268.7%−0.4—
Standard (AW)2,0621678.1%−1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f8729911.4%+2.3—
6f – 7f3,0332879.5%+0.41 from 2
1m – 1m1f1,118837.4%−1.7—
1m2f – 1m4f429347.9%−1.2—
1m5f – 2m184116%−3.1—
2m1f – 2m4f6757.5%−1.6—
2m5f – 3m500%−9.1—
Over 3m200%−9.1—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2015 · as at 6 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

7 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Carrigans Grove (IRE) (4 wins).

The wins came over 5f–7f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Broadhaven Dream (IRE)).

Family form: Carrigans Grove (IRE) won at Dundalk (AW) (IRE), 4 Nov 2026.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Carrigans Grove (IRE)2545f–7f—
Nullifier (IRE)825f–6f—
Broadhaven Dream (IRE)825fClass 5
Maguire's Grace (IRE)815f—
Notwithstanding (IRE)70——
Dawn Awakening (IRE)60——
Lakota Lady (IRE)110——

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2017 · 2 runs
24 Sep 17+36d Naas Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race 6f · Soft · 14 ran PU/14 — 9-4 88—— Colin Keane 7/4F
19 Aug 17 Curragh Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Maiden (Plus 10) 6f · Yielding To Soft · 17 ran 1/17 9-5 —81C90A Colin Keane 4/1

Quick answers

How many races has Would You Believe won?
Would You Believe (IRE) won 1 of 2 archived starts in 2017, a strike rate of 50%. Placed 1 time in total (50% of starts).
Who trained Would You Believe?
Would You Believe (IRE) was trained by G M Lyons on the most recent run on record, at Naas on 24 September 2017.
Who is Would You Believe's sire?
Would You Believe (IRE) is by Dream Ahead (USA) out of Queen Grace (IRE), whose sire is Choisir.
What is Would You Believe's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 88, from the run on 24 September 2017. That is also the highest on record.
What is Would You Believe's sire's record?
Dream Ahead (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.1% of 5,710 runs since Apr 2015 (529 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 6% from 184.
Who are Would You Believe's siblings?
Out of Queen Grace (IRE), Would You Believe (IRE) has 7 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Carrigans Grove (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Broadhaven Dream (IRE)). The wins came over 5f–7f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from August 2017. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.