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Horse profile

Don't Tell Grandad (IRE)

6yo gelding (at last run, Aug 2021) · Last trainer John E Kiely · Last owner Liam Gleeson
by Westerner (GB) out of Kings Rose (IRE) (King's Ride)
4 runs · 4 courses · from May 2021
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 2 Aug 2021 — 1,920 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Aug 2021 Beaten favourite LTO
KTB Profile

Don't Tell Grandad (IRE) is yet to win from 4 starts, though has placed once. Best effort: 2nd of 12 at Bellewstown (Jul 2021).

Based on 4 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 120 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Listowel, 7 Jun 2021

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 120B · median 96
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good2120B108—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
2m1f – 2m4f2120B108—
1m5f – 2m1———

Of 4 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 4 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 111A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Listowel, 7 Jun 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 111A · median 109
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good2111A107—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
2m1f – 2m4f2111A107—
1m5f – 2m1———

Of 4 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 4 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 11,853 runs since Jul 2009 (943 horses).

Weakest on standard (aw) going: 8.5% from 188.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm7114.3%+2.2—
Good to Firm2342711.5%−0.6—
Good3,41543112.6%+0.50 from 2
Good to Soft2,11925412%−0.1—
Soft3,78145212%−0.10 from 2
Heavy2,10925912.3%+0.2—
Standard (AW)188168.5%−3.6—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f4948.2%−3.9—
1m – 1m1f1241310.5%−1.6—
1m2f – 1m4f267259.4%−2.7—
1m5f – 2m3,37039611.8%−0.30 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f4,29553912.5%+0.40 from 3
2m5f – 3m2,98137512.6%+0.5—
Over 3m7678811.5%−0.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jul 2009 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Kings Rose (IRE) (King's Ride)

5 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Go All The Way (IRE) (3 wins).

The wins came over 1m5½f–2m6½f; the highest grade won is Class 6 (Debut (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Go All The Way (IRE)1332m4f–2m4½f—
Dont Tell No One (IRE)1032m2f–2m6½f—
Debut (IRE)511m5½fClass 6
King Of The Sharks (IRE)50——
Kings Music (IRE)40——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Cork 1 0 0% −1.00
Bellewstown 1 0 0% −1.00
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Tipperary 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt SpdKTB Jockey SP
2021 · 4 runs
02 Aug 21+30d Cork Follow Us On Facebook Flat Race 2m3f · Yielding · 15 ran PU/15 — 11-9 —— Mr J L Gleeson 2/1F
03 Jul 21+26d Bellewstown Bar One Racing 'Getting Out Stakes' Flat Race 2m1f · Good · 12 ran 2/12 9 11-2 96A103A Mr J L Gleeson 3/1
07 Jun 21+18d Listowel Dr. Louis O'Carroll (Pro/Am) Flat Race 2m4f · Good · 15 ran 6/15 2½ 11-2 120B111A Mr J L Gleeson 18/1
20 May 21 Tipperary Racing Again June 1st (Pro/Am) Flat Race 2m · Soft · 13 ran 6/13 7 11-4 45B109A Mr J L Gleeson 16/1

Quick answers

How many races has Don't Tell Grandad won?
Don't Tell Grandad (IRE) has yet to win, from 4 archived starts in 2021. Placed 1 time in total (25% of starts).
Who trained Don't Tell Grandad?
Don't Tell Grandad (IRE) was trained by John E Kiely on the most recent run on record, at Cork on 2 August 2021.
Who is Don't Tell Grandad's sire?
Don't Tell Grandad (IRE) is by Westerner (GB) out of Kings Rose (IRE), whose sire is King's Ride.
What is Don't Tell Grandad's sire's record?
Westerner (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 11,853 runs since Jul 2009 (943 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on standard (aw) going: 8.5% from 188.
Who are Don't Tell Grandad's siblings?
Out of Kings Rose (IRE), Don't Tell Grandad (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Go All The Way (IRE) (3). Highest grade won: Class 6 (Debut (IRE)). The wins came over 1m5½f–2m6½f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from May 2021. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.