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Fallen Idol (GB)

4yo colt (at last run, Sep 2011) · Last trainer John Gosden · Last owner Normandie Stud Ltd
by Pivotal (GB) out of Fallen Star (GB) (Brief Truce)
10 runs · 6 courses · from Sep 2009
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 21 Sep 2011 — 5,508 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Sep 2011 · 2nd of 7 4 wins · Sandown & Kempton (AW) Last raced off OR 108
KTB Profile

Fallen Idol (GB) is 4 from 10, including a Listed win. The biggest win we hold: the Britain's Got Talent Bingo At meccabingo.com Heron Stakes at Sandown (May 2010). Hasn't won since Aug 2011. 3 of 4 starts at Sandown have ended in wins. Last raced off a career-high mark of 108.

Based on 10 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR at career high
Official rating108At career-high mark
108 89–108

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 118A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Sandown, 20 Aug 2011 Official rating 108 at the last run, 21 Sep 2011

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 9 figures · best 118A · median 95
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Good497A93.5—
Soft2103A93.5—
Good to Soft1———
Good to Firm1———
Standard (AW)1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f6118A93.5—
1m – 1m1f297A96—
6f – 7f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 9 figures from 9 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Pivotal (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 13.6% of 12,787 runs since Jan 2008 (1,019 horses).

Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 7.4% from 108.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm82911%−2.6—
Good to Firm1,93725012.9%−0.71 from 1
Good2,83638513.6%01 from 4
Good to Soft1,60420012.5%−1.11 from 1
Soft2,07028213.6%00 from 3
Heavy7029713.8%+0.2—
Standard (AW)3,55651414.5%+0.91 from 1
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1,16413411.5%−2.1—
6f – 7f4,40559413.5%−0.11 from 1
1m – 1m1f3,13149515.8%+2.22 from 3
1m2f – 1m4f2,46834013.8%+0.21 from 6
1m5f – 2m1,09411910.9%−2.7—
2m1f – 2m4f3974511.3%−2.3—
2m5f – 3m10887.4%−6.2—
Over 3m20210%−3.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Fallen Star (GB) (Brief Truce)

7 siblings in the archive, 5 winners — best of them Fallen For You (GB) (3 wins).

The wins came over 7f–1m4f; the highest grade won is Group 1 (Fallen For You (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Fallen For You (GB)737f–1mGroup 1
Fallen For A Star (GB)921m1½f–1m2fClass 4
Hareeq (GB)921m–1m3½fClass 4
Fallen In Love (GB)811mClass 5
Star of Gibraltar (GB)911m4fClass 4
Fallen In Line (IRE)40——
Shine Like A Star (GB)40——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 4 1 25% +1.00
Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good to Soft 1 1 100% +7.50
Good to Firm 1 1 100% +1.50
Standard (AW) 1 1 100% +4.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 1 5 1 20% −2.50
Class 2 3 2 67% +10.50
Class 5 1 1 100% +4.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Sandown 4 3 75% +12.00
Haydock 2 0 0% −2.00
Goodwood 1 0 0% −1.00
Doncaster 1 0 0% −1.00
Chantilly (FR) 1 0 0% −1.00
Kempton (AW) 1 1 100% +4.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 6 1 17% +2.50
1m – 1m1f 3 2 67% +4.50
6f – 7f 1 1 100% +4.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
William Buick 7 2 29% +0.50
Robert Havlin 2 1 50% +3.00
Martin Dwyer 1 1 100% +7.50

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2011 5 1 20% +3.50
2010 4 2 50% +3.50
2009 1 1 100% +4.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
21 Sep 11+14d Goodwood Tanqueray Stakes (Registered As The Foundation Stakes) (Listed) Class 1 · 10f · Soft · 7 ran 2/7 2¼ 9-0 108103A William Buick 3/1
07 Sep 11+18d Doncaster Coopers Marquees Conditions Stakes Class 2 · 10f · Good · 8 ran 4/8 hd 9-2 10895A William Buick 15/8F
20 Aug 11+14d Sandown Variety Club Handicap Class 2 · 10f · Good To Soft · 11 ran 1/11 9-7 103118A Martin Dwyer 15/2
06 Aug 11+36d Haydock Betfred Rose Of Lancaster Stakes (Group 3) Class 1 · 10.5f · Good · 8 ran 5/8 1¾ 9-3 10588A William Buick 15/2
01 Jul 11+328d Sandown Ambant Gala Stakes (Listed) Class 1 · 10f · Good · 11 ran 5/11 1 9-5 10692A Robert Havlin 9/1
07 Aug 10+55d Haydock totesport.com Rose Of Lancaster Stakes (Group 3) Class 1 · 10.5f · Soft · 8 ran 4/8 3¼ 8-8 10684A William Buick 6/1
13 Jun 10+17d Chantilly (FR) Prix Paul De Moussac (3yo Colts & Geldings) (Turf) 8f · Soft · 8 ran 5/8 hd 8-10 —— William Buick 9/2
27 May 10+34d Sandown Britain's Got Talent Bingo At meccabingo.com Heron Stakes (Listed) Class 1 · 8f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 1/9 8-12 9895A William Buick 6/4F
23 Apr 10+225d Sandown bet365.com Esher Cup (Handicap) Class 2 · 8f · Good · 8 ran 1/8 8-12 8997A William Buick 4/1
10 Sep 09 Kempton (AW) Panoramic Bar & Restaurant Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 14 ran 1/14 9-3 —99A Robert Havlin 4/1

Quick answers

How many races has Fallen Idol (GB) won?
Fallen Idol (GB) won 4 of 10 archived starts between 2009 and 2011, a strike rate of 40%. Placed 5 times in total (50% of starts).
Who trained Fallen Idol (GB)?
Fallen Idol (GB) was trained by John Gosden on the most recent run on record, at Goodwood on 21 September 2011.
Who is Fallen Idol (GB)'s sire?
Fallen Idol (GB) is by Pivotal (GB) out of Fallen Star (GB), whose sire is Brief Truce.
What going does Fallen Idol (GB) prefer?
Fallen Idol (GB) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 4 starts (25%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Fallen Idol (GB)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 108, from the run on 21 September 2011. That is also the highest on record.
What is Fallen Idol (GB)'s sire's record?
Pivotal (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 13.6% of 12,787 runs since Jan 2008 (1,019 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 7.4% from 108.
Who are Fallen Idol (GB)'s siblings?
Out of Fallen Star (GB), Fallen Idol (GB) has 7 other produce in our archive, 5 of them winners. Most wins: Fallen For You (GB) (3). Highest grade won: Group 1 (Fallen For You (GB)). The wins came over 7f–1m4f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from September 2009. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.