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Horse profile

Forget The Ref (IRE)

8yo mare (at last run, Mar 2009) · Last trainer R Abrey · Last owner Ian Thurtle
by Dr Massini (IRE) out of Mrs Mustard (IRE) (Le Johnstan)
4 runs · 3 courses · from Dec 2005
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 13 Mar 2009 — 6,430 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2009 · 5th of 6
KTB Profile

Forget The Ref (IRE) is yet to win from 4 starts, though has placed once. Best effort: 3rd of 10 at Limerick (Mar 2006).

Based on 4 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026

Progeny in our archive

Produce record

As a dam, Forget The Ref (IRE) has 4 produce in the archive, 4 winners — most wins Midnightreferendum (GB) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m–2m5½f; the highest grade won is Class 2 (Midnightreferendum (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Midnightreferendum (GB)2252m–2m5½fClass 2
Forget The Way (GB)3132mClass 4
Stonebrigg Legend (GB)2522m5fClass 4
Annie Hathaway (GB)612m½fClass 4

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 93C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Limerick, 2 Mar 2006

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 4 figures · best 99C · median 88
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Good to Soft1———
Good1———
Soft1———
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m283B81.5—
1m5f – 2m299C96—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Dr Massini (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 4,942 runs since Jan 2008 (406 horses).

Strongest on good to firm going: 14% from 421.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm2627.7%−2.9—
Good to Firm4215914%+3.4—
Good1,66518711.2%+0.60 from 1
Good to Soft77710113%+2.40 from 1
Soft1,2541108.8%−1.80 from 1
Heavy753638.4%−2.20 from 1
Standard (AW)4636.5%−4.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f500%−10.6—
1m – 1m1f2328.7%−1.9—
1m2f – 1m4f38410.5%−0.1—
1m5f – 2m1,164958.2%−2.40 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f1,74620211.6%+1—
2m5f – 3m1,53817411.3%+0.70 from 2
Over 3m4284811.2%+0.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Mrs Mustard (IRE) (Le Johnstan)

3 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Pocket Aces (IRE) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m2f–2m5f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Pocket Aces (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Pocket Aces (IRE)3352m2f–2m5fClass 3
Hogan's Bridge (IRE)80——
The Empereurs Lady (IRE)50——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 6 2 0 0% −2.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Limerick 2 0 0% −2.00
Fakenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Huntingdon 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Mr Rupert Stearn 2 0 0% −2.00
Mr J P McKeown 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr G M Mangan 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2009 1 0 0% −1.00
2008 1 0 0% −1.00
2006 1 0 0% −1.00
2005 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 2 0 0% −2.00
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
13 Mar 09+316d Fakenham William Bulwer-Long Memorial Novices' Fox Hunters' Chase Class 6 · 21f · Good To Soft · 6 ran 5/6 ½ 10-10 80B Mr Rupert Stearn 11/4
01 May 08+791d Huntingdon Paul Rackham Champion Novices' Hunters' Chase Class 6 · 23.5f · Good · 7 ran 4/7 1 10-12 83B Mr Rupert Stearn 5/1
02 Mar 06+66d Limerick Rockview (q.r.) Mares Inh Flat Race 16f · Yielding To Soft · 10 ran 3/10 nk 10-7 93C Mr J P McKeown 7/1
26 Dec 05 Limerick Patrick Molloy & Partners Inh Flat Race 16f · Heavy · 16 ran 4/16 1½ 10-11 99C Mr G M Mangan 6/1

Quick answers

How many races has Forget The Ref (IRE) won?
Forget The Ref (IRE) has yet to win, from 4 archived starts between 2005 and 2009. Placed 1 time in total (25% of starts).
Who trained Forget The Ref (IRE)?
Forget The Ref (IRE) was trained by R Abrey on the most recent run on record, at Fakenham on 13 March 2009.
Who is Forget The Ref (IRE)'s sire?
Forget The Ref (IRE) is by Dr Massini (IRE) out of Mrs Mustard (IRE), whose sire is Le Johnstan.
What is Forget The Ref (IRE)'s sire's record?
Dr Massini (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 4,942 runs since Jan 2008 (406 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to firm going: 14% from 421.
Who are Forget The Ref (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Mrs Mustard (IRE), Forget The Ref (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Pocket Aces (IRE) (5). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Pocket Aces (IRE)). The wins came over 2m2f–2m5f. As at Oct 2026.
Has Forget The Ref (IRE) produced winners?
As a dam, Forget The Ref (IRE) has 4 produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Midnightreferendum (GB) (5). Highest grade won: Class 2 (Midnightreferendum (GB)). The wins came over 2m–2m5½f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from December 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.