Never Promise (FR)
Never Promise (FR) is yet to win from 5 starts. Best effort: 4th of 4 at Chepstow (Mar 2005).
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Never Promise (FR) has 2 produce in the archive, 1 winner — most wins First Of Never (IRE) (2 wins).
The wins came over 2m–2m1f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (First Of Never (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| First Of Never (IRE) | 57 | 2 | 2m–2m1f | Class 5 |
| Silver Promise (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
- 0–5Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 0 (0%)Placed
- −5.00£1 level staken=5 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=5 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 65Highest OR
- 20dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 10.1% of 2,919 runs since Jan 2008 (203 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 30 | 1 | 3.3% | −6.8 | — |
| Good to Firm | 549 | 56 | 10.2% | +0.1 | — |
| Good | 636 | 58 | 9.1% | −1 | — |
| Good to Soft | 296 | 35 | 11.8% | +1.7 | 0 from 2 |
| Soft | 363 | 41 | 11.3% | +1.2 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 93 | 9 | 9.7% | −0.4 | 0 from 1 |
| Standard (AW) | 952 | 96 | 10.1% | 0 | 0 from 1 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 320 | 33 | 10.3% | +0.2 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 1,249 | 121 | 9.7% | −0.4 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 561 | 66 | 11.8% | +1.7 | 0 from 1 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 389 | 41 | 10.5% | +0.4 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 192 | 14 | 7.3% | −2.8 | 0 from 3 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 147 | 17 | 11.6% | +1.5 | 0 from 1 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 46 | 3 | 6.5% | −3.6 | — |
| Over 3m | 15 | 1 | 6.7% | −3.4 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oquawka (USA) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Heavy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Standard (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 5 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Class 7 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chepstow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Leicester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ludlow | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Taunton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Southwell (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tom Siddall | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Patrick C Stringer | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Dave Crosse | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| S Righton | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Visor | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Flat | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2005 · 5 runs | |||||||||
| 23 Mar 05+49d | Chepstow | Selling Hurdle | 4/4 | 30 | 10-7 | 60 | 82C | Tom Siddall | 10/1 |
| 02 Feb 05+13d | Leicester | Conditionals' Selling Handicap Hurdle | 4/12 | 3 | 9-4 | 64 | — | Patrick C Stringer | 20/1 |
| 20 Jan 05+10d | Ludlow | Selling Handicap Hurdle | PU/15 | — | 10-5 | 65 | — | Tom Siddall | 20/1 |
| 10 Jan 05+8d | Taunton | Conditionals Selling Handicap Hurdle | 6/6 | 10-5 | 65 | — | Dave Crosse | 8/1 | |
| 02 Jan 05 | Southwell (AW) | Banded Stakes | 14/14 | 1 | 9-4 | 35 | -15C | S Righton | 25/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Never Promise won?
- Never Promise (FR) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts in 2005.
- Who trained Never Promise?
- Never Promise (FR) was trained by C Roberts on the most recent run on record, at Chepstow on 23 March 2005.
- Who is Never Promise's sire?
- Never Promise (FR) is by Cadeaux Genereux (GB) out of Yazeanhaa (USA), whose sire is Zilzal.
- What is Never Promise's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 60, from the run on 23 March 2005. The highest on record is 65.
- What is Never Promise's sire's record?
- Cadeaux Genereux (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.1% of 2,919 runs since Jan 2008 (203 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Never Promise's siblings?
- Out of Yazeanhaa (USA), Never Promise (FR) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Never Promise produced winners?
- As a dam, Never Promise (FR) has 2 produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: First Of Never (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 5 (First Of Never (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m1f. As at Oct 2026.