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Horse profile

Never Promise (FR)

7yo mare (at last run, Mar 2005) · Last trainer C Roberts · Last owner Mrs Theresa Otoole
by Cadeaux Genereux (GB) out of Yazeanhaa (USA) (Zilzal)
5 runs · 5 courses · from Jan 2005
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 23 Mar 2005 — 7,888 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2005 · 4th of 4 Last raced off OR 60
KTB Profile

Never Promise (FR) is yet to win from 5 starts. Best effort: 4th of 4 at Chepstow (Mar 2005).

Based on 5 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026

Progeny in our archive

Produce record

As a dam, Never Promise (FR) has 2 produce in the archive, 1 winner — most wins First Of Never (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 2m–2m1f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (First Of Never (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
First Of Never (IRE)5722m–2m1fClass 5
Silver Promise (IRE)20——
Official rating60↓ 5lb off peak
60 35–65

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating (jumps) 82C the best of the last 1 rated run · Chepstow, 23 Mar 2005 Official rating 60 at the last jumps run, 23 Mar 2005

Best recent KTB Rating (flat) -15C the best of the last 1 rated run · Southwell (AW), 2 Jan 2005 Official rating 35 at the last flat run, 2 Jan 2005

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 1 figure · too few for a breakdown
Flat 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

Of 5 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: no runner of known ability in the race — the level cannot be solved (1) · did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1) · beaten lengths not stored (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 5 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Cadeaux Genereux (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 10.1% of 2,919 runs since Jan 2008 (203 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3013.3%−6.8—
Good to Firm5495610.2%+0.1—
Good636589.1%−1—
Good to Soft2963511.8%+1.70 from 2
Soft3634111.3%+1.20 from 1
Heavy9399.7%−0.40 from 1
Standard (AW)9529610.1%00 from 1
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f3203310.3%+0.2—
6f – 7f1,2491219.7%−0.4—
1m – 1m1f5616611.8%+1.70 from 1
1m2f – 1m4f3894110.5%+0.4—
1m5f – 2m192147.3%−2.80 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f1471711.6%+1.50 from 1
2m5f – 3m4636.5%−3.6—
Over 3m1516.7%−3.4—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Yazeanhaa (USA) (Zilzal)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Oquawka (USA)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00
Standard (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 4 0 0% −4.00
Class 7 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00
Leicester 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00
Taunton 1 0 0% −1.00
Southwell (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 3 0 0% −3.00
2m1f – 2m4f 1 0 0% −1.00
1m – 1m1f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Tom Siddall 2 0 0% −2.00
Patrick C Stringer 1 0 0% −1.00
Dave Crosse 1 0 0% −1.00
S Righton 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 3 0 0% −3.00
Visor 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 4 0 0% −4.00
Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2005 · 5 runs
23 Mar 05+49d Chepstow Selling Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Soft · 4 ran 4/4 30 10-7 6082C Tom Siddall 10/1
02 Feb 05+13d Leicester Conditionals' Selling Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Heavy · 12 ran 4/12 3 9-4 64— Patrick C Stringer 20/1
20 Jan 05+10d Ludlow Selling Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Good To Soft · 15 ran PU/15 — 10-5 65— Tom Siddall 20/1
10 Jan 05+8d Taunton Conditionals Selling Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 19f · Good To Soft · 6 ran 6/6 10-5 65— Dave Crosse 8/1
02 Jan 05 Southwell (AW) Banded Stakes Class 7 · 8f · Standard · 14 ran 14/14 1 9-4 35-15C S Righton 25/1

Quick answers

How many races has Never Promise won?
Never Promise (FR) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts in 2005.
Who trained Never Promise?
Never Promise (FR) was trained by C Roberts on the most recent run on record, at Chepstow on 23 March 2005.
Who is Never Promise's sire?
Never Promise (FR) is by Cadeaux Genereux (GB) out of Yazeanhaa (USA), whose sire is Zilzal.
What is Never Promise's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 60, from the run on 23 March 2005. The highest on record is 65.
What is Never Promise's sire's record?
Cadeaux Genereux (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.1% of 2,919 runs since Jan 2008 (203 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Never Promise's siblings?
Out of Yazeanhaa (USA), Never Promise (FR) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.
Has Never Promise produced winners?
As a dam, Never Promise (FR) has 2 produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: First Of Never (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 5 (First Of Never (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m1f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from January 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.