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Horse profile

Nothin To Say (IRE)

8yo mare (at last run, Apr 2013) · Last trainer P J Rothwell · Last owner P J Rothwell
by Beneficial (GB) out of Supreme Schemer (IRE) (Supreme Leader)
5 runs · 4 courses · from Jun 2010
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 13 Apr 2013 — 4,953 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Apr 2013 · 12th of 15
KTB Profile

Nothin To Say (IRE) is yet to win from 5 starts.

Based on 5 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026

Progeny in our archive

Produce record

As a dam, Nothin To Say (IRE) has 2 produce in the archive, 1 winner — most wins Nothin To Ask (IRE) (3 wins).

The wins came over 2m3f–2m3½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Nothin To Ask (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Nothin To Ask (IRE)2332m3f–2m3½fClass 3
Dontaskchris (IRE)50——

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 90A the best of the last 2 rated runs · Cork, 9 Apr 2012

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 90A · median 80.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Soft290A80.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m1———
2m5f – 3m1———

Of 5 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (3).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 5 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Beneficial (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 10.4% of 17,045 runs since Jan 2008 (1,155 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm6657.6%−2.8—
Good to Firm93910711.4%+1—
Good5,29654910.4%00 from 2
Good to Soft2,46726710.8%+0.4—
Soft5,05751910.3%−0.10 from 2
Heavy3,15932810.4%00 from 1
Standard (AW)6169.8%−0.6—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f200%−10.4—
1m – 1m1f10110%−0.4—
1m2f – 1m4f6457.8%−2.6—
1m5f – 2m4,89050210.3%−0.10 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f6,35566110.4%00 from 2
2m5f – 3m4,70252211.1%+0.70 from 2
Over 3m1,022908.8%−1.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Supreme Schemer (IRE) (Supreme Leader)

2 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Benefit Scheme (IRE) (1 win).

The wins came over 2m.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Benefit Scheme (IRE)2012m—
Tooreen Supreme (IRE)20——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Cork 2 0 0% −2.00
Tramore 1 0 0% −1.00
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Tipperary 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Shane Jackson 2 0 0% −2.00
Andrew Ring 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr L P Flynn 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr D P Howard 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Tongue tie 3 0 0% −3.00
None 2 0 0% −2.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2013 2 0 0% −2.00
2012 1 0 0% −1.00
2011 1 0 0% −1.00
2010 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 4 0 0% −4.00
Chase 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2013 · 2 runs
13 Apr 13+12d Tramore Online Booking At www.tramore-racecourse.com Maiden Hurdle 2m · Yielding · 15 ran 12/15 1¾ 10-4 71C Andrew Ring 25/1
01 Apr 13+357d Cork Friday Evening Racing At Cork Racecourse (Q.R.) Maiden Hurdle 3m · Soft To Heavy · 17 ran PU/17 — 11-2 — Mr L P Flynn 50/1
2012 · 1 run
09 Apr 12+308d Cork Friday Evening Racing At Cork Racecourse (Q.R.) Maiden Hurdle 3m · Yielding To Soft · 19 ran 8/19 7½ 10-12 90A Mr D P Howard 25/1
2011 · 1 run
06 Jun 11+354d Listowel Listowel Race Directors Mares Beginners Chase 2m3f · Good · 15 ran PU/15 — 11-7 — Shane Jackson 50/1
2010 · 1 run
17 Jun 10 Tipperary Clanwilliam Novice Hurdle 2m4f · Good · 14 ran PU/14 — 10-9 — Shane Jackson 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Nothin To Say won?
Nothin To Say (IRE) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts between 2010 and 2013.
Who trained Nothin To Say?
Nothin To Say (IRE) was trained by P J Rothwell on the most recent run on record, at Tramore on 13 April 2013.
Who is Nothin To Say's sire?
Nothin To Say (IRE) is by Beneficial (GB) out of Supreme Schemer (IRE), whose sire is Supreme Leader.
What is Nothin To Say's sire's record?
Beneficial (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.4% of 17,045 runs since Jan 2008 (1,155 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Nothin To Say's siblings?
Out of Supreme Schemer (IRE), Nothin To Say (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Benefit Scheme (IRE) (1). The wins came over 2m. As at Nov 2026.
Has Nothin To Say produced winners?
As a dam, Nothin To Say (IRE) has 2 produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Nothin To Ask (IRE) (3). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Nothin To Ask (IRE)). The wins came over 2m3f–2m3½f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from June 2010. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.