Rhetoric (IRE)
Rhetoric (IRE) is yet to win from 20 starts, though has placed 3 times. Best effort: 3rd of 9 at Hereford (Nov 2007).
- 0–20Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 3 (15%)Placed
- −20.00£1 level staken=20 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=20 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 82Highest OR
- 50dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9% of 1,142 runs since Jan 2008 (104 horses).
Strongest on good to soft going: 13.4% from 157.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 5 | 1 | 20% | +11 | 0 from 1 |
| Good to Firm | 122 | 10 | 8.2% | −0.8 | 0 from 7 |
| Good | 384 | 40 | 10.4% | +1.4 | 0 from 9 |
| Good to Soft | 157 | 21 | 13.4% | +4.4 | 0 from 3 |
| Soft | 267 | 19 | 7.1% | −1.9 | — |
| Heavy | 139 | 9 | 6.5% | −2.5 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 68 | 3 | 4.4% | −4.6 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 12 | 0 | 0% | −9 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 44 | 3 | 6.8% | −2.2 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 71 | 5 | 7% | −2 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 396 | 45 | 11.4% | +2.4 | 0 from 13 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 398 | 35 | 8.8% | −0.2 | 0 from 6 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 192 | 12 | 6.3% | −2.7 | 0 from 1 |
| Over 3m | 29 | 3 | 10.3% | +1.3 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
4 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Westmeath (GB) (3 wins).
The wins came over 2m–2m6f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Koolala (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Westmeath (GB) | 16 | 3 | 2m2f–2m4f | — |
| Koolala (IRE) | 12 | 3 | 2m–2m5½f | Class 4 |
| Undone (GB) | 6 | 1 | 2m6f | — |
| Administrator (GB) | 6 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 9 | 0 | 0% | −9.00 |
| Good to Firm | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Firm | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 4 | 13 | 0 | 0% | −13.00 |
| Class 5 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Class 6 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class 3 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hereford | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Ludlow | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Newton Abbot | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Stratford | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Taunton | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Uttoxeter | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Bangor-on-Dee | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Worcester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 13 | 0 | 0% | −13.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Miss Sarah-Jayne Davies | 17 | 0 | 0% | −17.00 |
| Jamie Goldstein | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Rodi Greene | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| James Davies | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 19 | 0 | 0% | −19.00 |
| Blinkers | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 | 8 | 0 | 0% | −8.00 |
| 2006 | 11 | 0 | 0% | −11.00 |
| 2005 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 15 | 0 | 0% | −15.00 |
| Chase | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
Quick answers
- How many races has Rhetoric won?
- Rhetoric (IRE) has yet to win, from 20 archived starts between 2005 and 2007. Placed 3 times in total (15% of starts).
- Who trained Rhetoric?
- Rhetoric (IRE) was trained by George Jones on the most recent run on record, at Ludlow on 20 December 2007.
- Who is Rhetoric's sire?
- Rhetoric (IRE) is by Desert King (IRE) out of Squaw Talk (USA), whose sire is Gulch.
- What is Rhetoric's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 80, from the run on 20 December 2007. The highest on record is 82.
- What is Rhetoric's sire's record?
- Desert King (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 9% of 1,142 runs since Jan 2008 (104 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to soft going: 13.4% from 157.
- Who are Rhetoric's siblings?
- Out of Squaw Talk (USA), Rhetoric (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Westmeath (GB) (3). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Koolala (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m6f. As at Oct 2026.