How many races has Same Old Scene won?

Same Old Scene (IRE) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2006.

Who trained Same Old Scene?

Same Old Scene (IRE) was trained by John Best on the most recent run on record, at Lingfield (AW) on 6 October 2006.

Who is Same Old Scene's sire?

Same Old Scene (IRE) is by Orpen (USA) out of Saratoga Scene (USA), whose sire is Grey Dawn II.

What is Same Old Scene's sire's record?

Orpen (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9% of 4,038 runs since Jan 2008 (381 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 4.4% from 113.

Who are Same Old Scene's siblings?

Out of Saratoga Scene (USA), Same Old Scene (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.

Horse profile

Same Old Scene (IRE)

3yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2006) · Last trainer John Best · Last owner Miss Vanessa Church

by Orpen (USA) out of Saratoga Scene (USA) (Grey Dawn II)

1 run · 1 course · from Oct 2006

As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily

No run recorded since 6 Oct 2006 — 7,335 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.

Last run Oct 2006 · 12th of 12

KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 1 archived start in Oct 2006 as a 3yo gelding. Finished 12 of 12 at Lingfield (AW) last time. By Orpen (USA), whose progeny in our archive have won 9% of 4,038 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 1 archived run · updated 5 Nov 2026

0–1Wins / Runs
0%Strike rate
0 (0%)Placed
−1.00£1 level staken=1 at SP

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 10^C the best of the last 1 rated run · Lingfield (AW), 6 Oct 2006

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 1 run · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Orpen (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 9% of 4,038 runs since Jan 2008 (381 horses).

Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 4.4% from 113.

Going	Runs	Wins	SR	vs sire	This horse
Firm	39	1	2.6%	−6.4	—
Good to Firm	438	40	9.1%	+0.1	—
Good	891	75	8.4%	−0.6	—
Good to Soft	501	36	7.2%	−1.8	—
Soft	720	74	10.3%	+1.3	—
Heavy	285	28	9.8%	+0.8	—
Standard (AW)	1,161	109	9.4%	+0.4	0 from 1

Distance (all codes)	Runs	Wins	SR	vs sire	This horse
Under 6f	242	27	11.2%	+2.2	—
6f – 7f	1,314	135	10.3%	+1.3	0 from 1
1m – 1m1f	1,013	93	9.2%	+0.2	—
1m2f – 1m4f	543	35	6.4%	−2.6	—
1m5f – 2m	511	49	9.6%	+0.6	—
2m1f – 2m4f	286	19	6.6%	−2.4	—
2m5f – 3m	113	5	4.4%	−4.6	—
Over 3m	16	1	6.3%	−2.7	—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

Saratoga Scene (USA) (Grey Dawn II)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

Produce	Runs	Wins	Win trips	Best grade
Greenhill Scene (IRE)	6	0	—	—

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

Date	Course	Race	Pos	Btn	Wgt	KTB	Jockey	SP
2006 · 1 run
06 Oct 06	Lingfield (AW)	lingfieldpark.co.Uk Selling Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Standard · 12 ran	12/12	½	8-11	10^C	Micky Fenton	33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Same Old Scene won?: Same Old Scene (IRE) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2006.
Who trained Same Old Scene?: Same Old Scene (IRE) was trained by John Best on the most recent run on record, at Lingfield (AW) on 6 October 2006.
Who is Same Old Scene's sire?: Same Old Scene (IRE) is by Orpen (USA) out of Saratoga Scene (USA), whose sire is Grey Dawn II.
What is Same Old Scene's sire's record?: Orpen (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9% of 4,038 runs since Jan 2008 (381 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 4.4% from 113.
Who are Same Old Scene's siblings?: Out of Saratoga Scene (USA), Same Old Scene (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.