The Same (FR)
The Same won two of his four starts, both at Class 4 level. He gained his first success in a maiden hurdle at Market Rasen on soft ground in Mar 2023 and his second in the Pertemps Network Novices Handicap Chase over 2m5f-3m on good to soft at the same course in Nov 2023, winning by taking the race off an official rating of 117. All four runs came on turf. Aged 6 at his last run in Nov 2023.
- 2–4Wins / Runs
- 50%Strike rate
- 3 (75%)Placed
- +0.55£1 level staken=4 at SP
- 117Highest OR
- 82dAvg between runs
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 137
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 22 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 3 | 137A | 111 | — |
| Good to Soft | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 22 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 137A | 111 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | — | — | — |
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 14.1% of 3,767 runs since Jan 2008 (380 horses).
Weakest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 10.2% from 274.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 1 | 1 | 100% | +85.9 | — |
| Good to Firm | 63 | 8 | 12.7% | −1.4 | — |
| Good | 833 | 126 | 15.1% | +1 | — |
| Good to Soft | 509 | 72 | 14.1% | 0 | 1 from 1 |
| Soft | 1,547 | 196 | 12.7% | −1.4 | 1 from 3 |
| Heavy | 793 | 122 | 15.4% | +1.3 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 16 | 2 | 12.5% | −1.6 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 76 | 14 | 18.4% | +4.3 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 689 | 113 | 16.4% | +2.3 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1,680 | 230 | 13.7% | −0.4 | 1 from 3 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1,048 | 145 | 13.8% | −0.3 | 1 from 1 |
| Over 3m | 274 | 28 | 10.2% | −3.9 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
3 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thesongyouneed (FR) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Thatsmyseat (FR) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
| Thequietman (FR) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 3 | 1 | 33% | −1.20 |
| Good to Soft | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.75 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Market Rasen | 2 | 2 | 100% | +2.55 |
| Ffos Las | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 1 | 33% | −1.20 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.75 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sean Bowen | 2 | 1 | 50% | +0.75 |
| Fergus Gregory | 2 | 1 | 50% | −0.20 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 3 | 1 | 33% | −1.20 |
| Chase | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.75 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 23 Nov 23+198d | Market Rasen | Pertemps Network Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) | 1/6 | 11-7 | 117 | 94A | 133B | Sean Bowen | 7/4F | |
| 09 May 23+30d | Ffos Las | Cazoo Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) | 2/6 | 5½ | 11-10 | 117 | 137A | 128B | Sean Bowen | 8/15F |
| 09 Apr 23+19d | Ffos Las | 3as Leisure New & Used Caravan Sales Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) | 3/6 | 3¾ | 11-12 | — | 92A | 131B | Fergus Gregory | 4/1 |
| 21 Mar 23 | Market Rasen | Premier League Offers At Rhino.Bet Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) | 1/8 | 11-7 | — | 111A | 134B | Fergus Gregory | 4/5F |
Quick answers
- How many races has The Same (FR) won?
- The Same (FR) won 2 of 4 archived starts in 2023, a strike rate of 50%. Placed 3 times in total (75% of starts).
- Who trained The Same (FR)?
- The Same (FR) was trained by Olly Murphy on the most recent run on record, at Market Rasen on 23 November 2023.
- Who is The Same (FR)'s sire?
- The Same (FR) is by Network (GER) out of Escort'beauty (FR), whose sire is Robin Des Champs.
- What going does The Same (FR) prefer?
- The Same (FR) has the best record on soft going: 1 win from 3 starts (33.3%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is The Same (FR)'s official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 117, from the run on 23 November 2023. That is also the highest on record.
- What is The Same (FR)'s sire's record?
- Network (GER)'s progeny in our archive have won 14.1% of 3,767 runs since Jan 2008 (380 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 10.2% from 274.
- Who are The Same (FR)'s siblings?
- Out of Escort'beauty (FR), The Same (FR) has 3 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.