Then 'n Now (GB)
Then 'n Now (GB) is 1 from 5, the win coming at Class 6 level. Hasn't won since Aug 2007.
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Then 'n Now (GB) has 3 produce in the archive, 1 winner — most wins Miss Qatar (IRE) (1 win).
The wins came over 6f.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Miss Qatar (IRE) | 5 | 1 | 6f | — |
| Approachcautiously (IRE) | 14 | 0 | — | — |
| Tulay (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
- 1–5Wins / Runs
- 20%Strike rate
- 2 (40%)Placed
- −0.50£1 level staken=5 at SP
- 2.94Fair A/E n=5 · 2.55 incl. margin
- 77Highest OR
- 15dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 13.7% of 11,842 runs since Jan 2008 (983 horses).
Strongest on firm going: 16.8% from 101. Weakest on heavy going: 7.9% from 428. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 9.1% from 209.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 101 | 17 | 16.8% | +3.1 | — |
| Good to Firm | 2,107 | 286 | 13.6% | −0.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 2,966 | 424 | 14.3% | +0.6 | — |
| Good to Soft | 1,324 | 165 | 12.5% | −1.2 | — |
| Soft | 1,413 | 160 | 11.3% | −2.4 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 428 | 34 | 7.9% | −5.8 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 3,501 | 538 | 15.4% | +1.7 | 1 from 2 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 253 | 32 | 12.6% | −1.1 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 2,309 | 291 | 12.6% | −1.1 | 1 from 5 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2,882 | 427 | 14.8% | +1.1 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 3,796 | 558 | 14.7% | +1 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 1,682 | 218 | 13% | −0.7 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 683 | 76 | 11.1% | −2.6 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 209 | 19 | 9.1% | −4.6 | — |
| Over 3m | 28 | 3 | 10.7% | −3 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
3 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Total Impact (GB) (9 wins).
The wins came over 5f–6f; the highest grade won is Class 2 (Total Impact (GB)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total Impact (GB) | 50 | 9 | 5f–6f | Class 2 |
| Royal Cheer (GB) | 9 | 1 | 6f | Class 6 |
| Arrogance (GB) | 7 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Standard (AW) | 2 | 1 | 50% | +2.50 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 5 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class 1 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class 6 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +3.50 |
| Class 4 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lingfield (AW) | 2 | 1 | 50% | +2.50 |
| Windsor | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Newmarket | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Simon Whitworth | 4 | 1 | 25% | +0.50 |
| Sam Hitchcott | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2007 · 5 runs | |||||||||
| 06 Oct 07+18d | Newmarket | Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Fillies' Group 3) | 8/8 | 6 | 8-12 | 72 | 57C | Simon Whitworth | 100/1 |
| 18 Sep 07+19d | Lingfield (AW) | Kingston Smith LLP Challenge Nursery Handicap | 2/8 | 2 | 9-3 | 77 | 62C | Simon Whitworth | 7/1 |
| 30 Aug 07+10d | Lingfield (AW) | Weatherbys Bank Median Auction Maiden Stakes (AW) (Div 2) | 1/8 | 8-12 | — | 60C | Simon Whitworth | 7/2 | |
| 20 Aug 07+14d | Windsor | E.B.F. Maiden Fillies' Stakes | 4/13 | 2½ | 9-0 | — | 60C | Simon Whitworth | 66/1 |
| 06 Aug 07 | Windsor | Vc Casino.com E.B.F. Maiden Fillies' Stakes | 14/16 | nk | 9-0 | — | 34C | Sam Hitchcott | 50/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Then 'n Now won?
- Then 'n Now (GB) won 1 of 5 archived starts in 2007, a strike rate of 20%. Placed 2 times in total (40% of starts).
- Who trained Then 'n Now?
- Then 'n Now (GB) was trained by C A Cyzer on the most recent run on record, at Newmarket on 6 October 2007.
- Who is Then 'n Now's sire?
- Then 'n Now (GB) is by Dansili (GB) out of Rise 'n Shine (GB), whose sire is Night Shift.
- What is Then 'n Now's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 72, from the run on 6 October 2007. The highest on record is 77.
- What is Then 'n Now's sire's record?
- Dansili (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 13.7% of 11,842 runs since Jan 2008 (983 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on firm going: 16.8% from 101. Weakest on heavy going: 7.9% from 428. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 9.1% from 209.
- Who are Then 'n Now's siblings?
- Out of Rise 'n Shine (GB), Then 'n Now (GB) has 3 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Total Impact (GB) (9). Highest grade won: Class 2 (Total Impact (GB)). The wins came over 5f–6f. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Then 'n Now produced winners?
- As a dam, Then 'n Now (GB) has 3 produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Miss Qatar (IRE) (1). The wins came over 6f. As at Oct 2026.