How many races has Under Discussion won?

Under Discussion (IRE) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2021.

Who trained Under Discussion?

Under Discussion (IRE) was trained by Warren Greatrex on the most recent run on record, at Hexham on 19 April 2021.

Who is Under Discussion's sire?

Under Discussion (IRE) is by Shirocco (GER) out of Molly's Case (IRE), whose sire is Saddlers' Hall.

What is Under Discussion's sire's record?

Shirocco (GER)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.2% of 9,174 runs since Jan 2008 (921 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 7.4% from 203.

Who are Under Discussion's siblings?

Out of Molly's Case (IRE), Under Discussion (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Broomfield Hall (IRE) (5). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Ernie Bilko (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m6f. As at Oct 2026.

Horse profile

Under Discussion (IRE)

5yo gelding (at last run, Apr 2021) · Last trainer Warren Greatrex · Last owner Mrs Julien Turner

by Shirocco (GER) out of Molly's Case (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)

1 run · 1 course · from Apr 2021

As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily

No run recorded since 19 Apr 2021 — 2,018 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.

Last run Apr 2021 · 6th of 9

KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 1 archived start in Apr 2021 as a 5yo gelding. Finished 6 of 9 at Hexham last time. By Shirocco (GER), whose progeny in our archive have won 11.2% of 9,174 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 1 archived run · updated 28 Oct 2026

0–1Wins / Runs
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−1.00£1 level staken=1 at SP

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed — no A or B graded figure in the last 3 runs; the figures below carry grade C

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 1 run · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 92^A the best of the last 1 rated run · Hexham, 19 Apr 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 1 run · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Shirocco (GER)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.2% of 9,174 runs since Jan 2008 (921 horses).

Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 7.4% from 203.

Going	Runs	Wins	SR	vs sire	This horse
Firm	15	3	20%	+8.8	—
Good to Firm	343	30	8.7%	−2.5	—
Good	2,737	316	11.5%	+0.3	0 from 1
Good to Soft	1,809	218	12.1%	+0.9	—
Soft	2,473	258	10.4%	−0.8	—
Heavy	1,031	123	11.9%	+0.7	—
Standard (AW)	766	76	9.9%	−1.3	—

Distance (all codes)	Runs	Wins	SR	vs sire	This horse
Under 6f	20	0	0%	−11.2	—
6f – 7f	203	15	7.4%	−3.8	—
1m – 1m1f	401	34	8.5%	−2.7	—
1m2f – 1m4f	1,091	107	9.8%	−1.4	—
1m5f – 2m	2,699	284	10.5%	−0.7	0 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f	2,689	316	11.8%	+0.6	—
2m5f – 3m	1,666	223	13.4%	+2.2	—
Over 3m	405	45	11.1%	−0.1	—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

Molly's Case (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)

3 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Broomfield Hall (IRE) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m–2m6f; the highest grade won is Class 5 (Ernie Bilko (IRE)).

Produce	Runs	Wins	Win trips	Best grade
Broomfield Hall (IRE)	19	5	2m–2m3½f	—
Ernie Bilko (IRE)	7	1	2m6f	Class 5
Rumi Rock (IRE)	4	0	—	—

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

Date	Course	Race	Pos	Btn	Wgt	Spd	KTB	Jockey	SP
2021 · 1 run
19 Apr 21	Hexham	Follow HexhamRaces On Twitter Standard Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) (Div 1) Class 5 · 16f · Good · 9 ran	6/9	10	10-7	89^C	92^A	Caoilin Quinn	7/2C

Quick answers

How many races has Under Discussion won?: Under Discussion (IRE) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2021.
Who trained Under Discussion?: Under Discussion (IRE) was trained by Warren Greatrex on the most recent run on record, at Hexham on 19 April 2021.
Who is Under Discussion's sire?: Under Discussion (IRE) is by Shirocco (GER) out of Molly's Case (IRE), whose sire is Saddlers' Hall.
What is Under Discussion's sire's record?: Shirocco (GER)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.2% of 9,174 runs since Jan 2008 (921 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 7.4% from 203.
Who are Under Discussion's siblings?: Out of Molly's Case (IRE), Under Discussion (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Broomfield Hall (IRE) (5). Highest grade won: Class 5 (Ernie Bilko (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–2m6f. As at Oct 2026.