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Horse profile

We Had It All Said (IRE)

6yo gelding (at last run, May 2023) · Last trainer E McNamara · Last owner John P Mcmanus
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Glorious Feeling (IRE) (Old Vic)
3 runs · 3 courses · from May 2022
As at 6 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 14 May 2023 — 1,271 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run May 2023 · 6th of 15
KTB Profile

We Had It All Said is a gelding by Flemensfirth out of a mare by Old Vic. He ran three times between May 2022 and May 2023 without winning or placing. All three starts came on turf at trips between 1m5f and 2m4f on good or good to soft going. His last run at Killarney in May 2023 saw him finish 6 of 15 in the Mongey Communications Maiden Hurdle.

Based on 3 archived runs · updated 6 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 117 the best of the last 2 graded (A or B) runs · Limerick, 26 May 2022

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 117B · median 71
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Good to Soft271C70.5—
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m2117B94—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 112A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Limerick, 26 May 2022

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 112A · median 99
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Good to Soft299A98.5—
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m2112A105—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,288 runs since Jan 2008 (1,595 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.9—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.3—
Good4,05744310.9%−10 from 1
Good to Soft2,93635412.1%+0.20 from 2
Soft5,87675112.8%+0.9—
Heavy3,81744911.8%−0.1—
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.9—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.9—
1m5f – 2m4,48654812.2%+0.30 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f6,08272411.9%00 from 1
2m5f – 3m5,26162311.8%−0.1—
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.2—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Glorious Feeling (IRE) (Old Vic)

3 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
She's Made It (IRE)180——
Get Your Coat (IRE)20——
Lar Na Pairce (IRE)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Killarney 1 0 0% −1.00
Tipperary 1 0 0% −1.00
Limerick 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Conor McNamara 2 0 0% −2.00
Mr Derek O'Connor 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Tongue tie 2 0 0% −2.00
None 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2023 1 0 0% −1.00
2022 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 2 0 0% −2.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt SpdKTB Jockey SP
2023 · 1 run
14 May 23+223d Killarney Mongey Communications Maiden Hurdle 2m1f · Good To Yielding · 15 ran 6/15 9 11-4 70B99A Conor McNamara 25/1
2022 · 2 runs
03 Oct 22+130d Tipperary Join The Tipperary Supporter's Club (C & G) Maiden Hurdle 2m · Good To Yielding · 19 ran 6/19 1½ 11-4 71C98C Conor McNamara 25/1
26 May 22 Limerick Athea Flat Race 2m½f · Good · 16 ran 5/16 nk 12-0 117B112A Mr Derek O'Connor 4/1

Quick answers

How many races has We Had It All Said won?
We Had It All Said (IRE) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts between 2022 and 2023.
Who trained We Had It All Said?
We Had It All Said (IRE) was trained by E McNamara on the most recent run on record, at Killarney on 14 May 2023.
Who is We Had It All Said's sire?
We Had It All Said (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Glorious Feeling (IRE), whose sire is Old Vic.
What is We Had It All Said's sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,288 runs since Jan 2008 (1,595 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are We Had It All Said's siblings?
Out of Glorious Feeling (IRE), We Had It All Said (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from May 2022. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.