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Horse profile

Who Said Mass (IRE)

7yo gelding (at last run, Jul 2012) · Last trainer Peter Maher · Last owner Peter Maher
by Quws (GB) out of Hawthorn Velvet (IRE) (Torus)
3 runs · 3 courses · from Mar 2012
As at 6 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 16 Jul 2012 — 5,225 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jul 2012 · 9th of 9 Headgear returns LTO
KTB Profile

Who Said Mass (IRE) is yet to win from 3 starts.

Based on 3 archived runs · updated 6 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 85C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Killarney, 16 Jul 2012

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 85C · median 83
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Soft285C82—
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m283C81—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Quws (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 6.6% of 824 runs since Jan 2008 (72 horses).

Strongest on good to soft going: 10.5% from 105.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm8112.5%+5.9—
Good to Firm68710.3%+3.7—
Good190105.3%−1.30 from 1
Good to Soft1051110.5%+3.9—
Soft257145.4%−1.20 from 2
Heavy179116.1%−0.5—
Standard (AW)1700%−6.6—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f300%−6.6—
1m – 1m1f100%−6.6—
1m2f – 1m4f1900%−6.6—
1m5f – 2m268207.5%+0.90 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f314227%+0.40 from 1
2m5f – 3m185105.4%−1.2—
Over 3m3425.9%−0.7—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Hawthorn Velvet (IRE) (Torus)

No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Killarney 1 0 0% −1.00
Navan 1 0 0% −1.00
Down Royal 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Miss C M Woods 2 0 0% −2.00
Ian McCarthy 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Tongue tie 2 0 0% −2.00
None 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00
Hurdle 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2012 · 3 runs
16 Jul 12+107d Killarney Don't Forget Ladies Day This Thursday At Killarney Races Flat Race 2m1f · Yielding · 9 ran 9/9 3 11-7 85C Miss C M Woods 33/1
31 Mar 12+14d Navan www.thetote.com Maiden Hurdle 2m · Good · 16 ran 10/16 19 11-7 83C Ian McCarthy 80/1
17 Mar 12 Down Royal Winged Love Flat Race 2m · Soft · 14 ran 13/14 4¾ 11-7 79C Miss C M Woods 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Who Said Mass won?
Who Said Mass (IRE) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts in 2012.
Who trained Who Said Mass?
Who Said Mass (IRE) was trained by Peter Maher on the most recent run on record, at Killarney on 16 July 2012.
Who is Who Said Mass's sire?
Who Said Mass (IRE) is by Quws (GB) out of Hawthorn Velvet (IRE), whose sire is Torus.
What is Who Said Mass's sire's record?
Quws (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 6.6% of 824 runs since Jan 2008 (72 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to soft going: 10.5% from 105.

Record shown from March 2012. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.