Wise Men Say (IRE)
Wise Men Say won his only start at Cork in Jul 2024, taking the Irish EBF Auction Series Maiden over under 6f on good ground. The colt, by Bungle Inthejungle out of a Fast Company mare, has one win and one place from four turf starts overall. He finished fourth of seven, having been held up, in the Heider Family Stables Round Tower Stakes at the Curragh in Aug 2024 when last raced off an official rating of 79.
- 1–4Wins / Runs
- 25%Strike rate
- 1 (25%)Placed
- +2.00£1 level staken=4 at SP
- 79Highest OR
- 19dAvg between runs
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 90
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 3 | 90A | 76 | — |
| Soft | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 2 | 90A | 82.5 | — |
| Under 6f | 2 | 76A | 74.5 | — |
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 8.8% of 4,235 runs since Jan 2008 (353 horses).
Weakest on heavy going: 2.4% from 123. Weakest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 2.4% from 124.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 36 | 2 | 5.6% | −3.2 | — |
| Good to Firm | 708 | 74 | 10.5% | +1.7 | — |
| Good | 1,077 | 96 | 8.9% | +0.1 | 1 from 3 |
| Good to Soft | 428 | 29 | 6.8% | −2 | — |
| Soft | 484 | 43 | 8.9% | +0.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 123 | 3 | 2.4% | −6.4 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 1,379 | 125 | 9.1% | +0.3 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 1,530 | 176 | 11.5% | +2.7 | 1 from 2 |
| 6f – 7f | 2,099 | 158 | 7.5% | −1.3 | 0 from 2 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 432 | 35 | 8.1% | −0.7 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 124 | 3 | 2.4% | −6.4 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 38 | 0 | 0% | −8.8 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 11 | 0 | 0% | −8.8 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | 0 | 0% | −8.8 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
2 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Fanjove (IRE) (2 wins).
The wins came over 7f; the highest grade won is Class 6 (Fanjove (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fanjove (IRE) | 14 | 2 | 7f | Class 6 |
| Dreamlighter (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 3 | 1 | 33% | +3.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Curragh | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Naas | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Cork | 1 | 1 | 100% | +5.00 |
| Bellewstown | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Under 6f | 2 | 1 | 50% | +4.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2024 · 4 runs | ||||||||||
| 31 Aug 24+26d | Curragh | Heider Family Stables Round Tower Stakes (Group 3) Held up at the back early - driven up into 6th under pressure but making little headway a furlong out - stayed on to finish 4th | 4/7 | nk | 9-5 | 79 | 90A | 81A | Shane Foley | 50/1 |
| 05 Aug 24+10d | Naas | Irish EBF Ballyhane Stakes (Median Auction Race) Held up towards the far rail in midfield - pushed along with no headway approaching 2f out - stayed on same gear to the line - finished 11th | 11/21 | 2¼ | 9-2 | — | 75C | 70A | Shane Foley | 25/1 |
| 26 Jul 24+22d | Cork | Irish EBF Auction Series Maiden | 1/12 | 9-1 | — | 76A | 84A | Shane Foley | 5/1 | |
| 04 Jul 24 | Bellewstown | Irish EBF Auction Series Maiden | 4/11 | ½ | 9-1 | — | 73A | 74A | Shane Foley | 11/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Wise Men Say won?
- Wise Men Say (IRE) won 1 of 4 archived starts in 2024, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 1 time in total (25% of starts).
- Who trained Wise Men Say?
- Wise Men Say (IRE) was trained by Mrs John Harrington on the most recent run on record, at Curragh on 31 August 2024.
- Who is Wise Men Say's sire?
- Wise Men Say (IRE) is by Bungle Inthejungle (GB) out of Company Jeed (IRE), whose sire is Fast Company.
- What going does Wise Men Say prefer?
- Wise Men Say (IRE) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 3 starts (33.3%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Wise Men Say's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 79, from the run on 31 August 2024. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Wise Men Say's sire's record?
- Bungle Inthejungle (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 8.8% of 4,235 runs since Jan 2008 (353 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on heavy going: 2.4% from 123. Weakest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 2.4% from 124.
- Who are Wise Men Say's siblings?
- Out of Company Jeed (IRE), Wise Men Say (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Fanjove (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 6 (Fanjove (IRE)). The wins came over 7f. As at Oct 2026.