Argumentative (GB)
Argumentative (GB) is 1 from 3. Hasn't won since Oct 2009.
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Argumentative (GB) has 5 produce in the archive, 3 winners — most wins Epicuris (GB) (4 wins).
The wins came over 1m–2m; the highest grade won is Group 1 (Epicuris (GB)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Epicuris (GB) | 11 | 4 | 1m–2m | Group 1 |
| Indeed (GB) | 15 | 3 | 1m–1m2f | Class 2 |
| Detachment (GB) | 33 | 3 | 1m–1m2f | Class 4 |
| Alexandrite (GB) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Captious (GB) | 5 | 0 | — | — |
- 1–3Wins / Runs
- 33.3%Strike rate
- 3 (100%)Placed
- −2.00£1 level staken=2 at SP
- 164dAvg between runs
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 8.4% of 2,276 runs since Jan 2008 (162 horses).
Strongest on soft going: 11.5% from 330.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 26 | 0 | 0% | −8.4 | — |
| Good to Firm | 417 | 32 | 7.7% | −0.7 | — |
| Good | 562 | 58 | 10.3% | +1.9 | 0 from 2 |
| Good to Soft | 281 | 20 | 7.1% | −1.3 | — |
| Soft | 330 | 38 | 11.5% | +3.1 | 1 from 1 |
| Heavy | 116 | 9 | 7.8% | −0.6 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 544 | 35 | 6.4% | −2 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 54 | 2 | 3.7% | −4.7 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 464 | 40 | 8.6% | +0.2 | 0 from 1 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 421 | 41 | 9.7% | +1.3 | 1 from 2 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 530 | 48 | 9.1% | +0.7 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 418 | 31 | 7.4% | −1 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 273 | 24 | 8.8% | +0.4 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 106 | 6 | 5.7% | −2.7 | — |
| Over 3m | 10 | 0 | 0% | −8.4 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 20 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
4 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Idea (USA) (2 wins).
The wins came over 6f–7f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Idea (USA)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Idea (USA) | 7 | 2 | 6f–7f | Class 3 |
| Quick Chat (USA) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Never Another (USA) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Pressburg (USA) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 1 | 100% | — |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Longchamp (FR) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Maisons-Laffitte (FR) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Saint-Cloud (FR) | 1 | 1 | 100% | — |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 1 | 50% | −1.00 |
| 6f – 7f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2010 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 2009 | 1 | 1 | 100% | — |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 01 Sep 10+52d | Longchamp (FR) | Prix De La Cochere () (3yo Fillies) (Turf) | 3/11 | 1½ | 8-11 | Stephane Pasquier | 6/1 |
| 11 Jul 10+275d | Maisons-Laffitte (FR) | Prix Amandine () (3yo Fillies) (Turf) | 3/10 | ½ | 8-11 | Stephane Pasquier | 11/1 |
| 09 Oct 09 | Saint-Cloud (FR) | Prix Rose Royale (Unraced Fillies) | 1/3 | 9-0 | Stephane Pasquier | — |
Quick answers
- How many races has Argumentative (GB) won?
- Argumentative (GB) won 1 of 3 archived starts between 2009 and 2010, a strike rate of 33.3%. Placed 3 times in total (100% of starts).
- Who trained Argumentative (GB)?
- Argumentative (GB) was trained by Mme Christiane Head on the most recent run on record, at Longchamp (FR) on 1 September 2010.
- Who is Argumentative (GB)'s sire?
- Argumentative (GB) is by Observatory (USA) out of Discuss (USA), whose sire is Danzig.
- What is Argumentative (GB)'s sire's record?
- Observatory (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 8.4% of 2,276 runs since Jan 2008 (162 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on soft going: 11.5% from 330.
- Who are Argumentative (GB)'s siblings?
- Out of Discuss (USA), Argumentative (GB) has 4 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Idea (USA) (2). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Idea (USA)). The wins came over 6f–7f. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Argumentative (GB) produced winners?
- As a dam, Argumentative (GB) has 5 produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Epicuris (GB) (4). Highest grade won: Group 1 (Epicuris (GB)). The wins came over 1m–2m. As at Oct 2026.