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Horse profile

Before Sundown (NZ)

5yo gelding (at last run, Nov 2009) · Last trainer Jonjo O'Neill · Last owner John P Mcmanus
by Montjeu (IRE) out of Dancing On (AUS) (Flying Spur)
1 run · 1 course · from Nov 2009
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 15 Nov 2009 — 6,197 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Nov 2009
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 1 archived start in Nov 2009 as a 5yo gelding. By Montjeu (IRE), whose progeny in our archive have won 12.3% of 7,971 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 1 archived run · updated 4 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Of 1 run looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 1 run · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Montjeu (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 12.3% of 7,971 runs since Jan 2008 (665 horses).

Strongest on heavy going: 16.3% from 686.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm5747%−5.3—
Good to Firm1,24215912.8%+0.5—
Good2,14126212.2%−0.1—
Good to Soft1,11014813.3%+1—
Soft1,68219411.5%−0.80 from 1
Heavy68611216.3%+4—
Standard (AW)1,0531009.5%−2.8—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f600%−12.3—
6f – 7f330319.4%−2.9—
1m – 1m1f8139711.9%−0.4—
1m2f – 1m4f2,72436013.2%+0.9—
1m5f – 2m2,42631312.9%+0.60 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f1,15712210.5%−1.8—
2m5f – 3m4144510.9%−1.4—
Over 3m1011110.9%−1.4—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Dancing On (AUS) (Flying Spur)

No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2009 · 1 run
15 Nov 09 Market Rasen Phs Direct No-germs Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 2m½f · Soft · 8 ran PU/8 — 10-12 — Noel Fehily 4/1

Quick answers

How many races has Before Sundown won?
Before Sundown (NZ) has yet to win, from 1 archived start in 2009.
Who trained Before Sundown?
Before Sundown (NZ) was trained by Jonjo O'Neill on the most recent run on record, at Market Rasen on 15 November 2009.
Who is Before Sundown's sire?
Before Sundown (NZ) is by Montjeu (IRE) out of Dancing On (AUS), whose sire is Flying Spur.
What is Before Sundown's sire's record?
Montjeu (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.3% of 7,971 runs since Jan 2008 (665 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on heavy going: 16.3% from 686.

Record shown from November 2009. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.