Forevertheoptimist (IRE)
Forevertheoptimist (IRE) is 2 from 7, including a Listed win. The biggest win we hold: the Bank Of New York Mellon Dragon Stakes at Sandown (Jul 2011). Hasn't won since Jul 2011. Each win came on a first visit to the course. Last raced off a career-high mark of 97.
- 2–7Wins / Runs
- 28.6%Strike rate
- 2 (28.6%)Placed
- +7.50£1 level staken=7 at SP
- 1.66Fair A/E n=7 · 1.50 incl. margin
- 97Highest OR
- 29dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 10.2% of 6,977 runs since Jan 2008 (499 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 61 | 6 | 9.8% | −0.4 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1,019 | 104 | 10.2% | 0 | 1 from 2 |
| Good | 1,562 | 168 | 10.8% | +0.6 | 1 from 4 |
| Good to Soft | 787 | 77 | 9.8% | −0.4 | 0 from 1 |
| Soft | 1,176 | 107 | 9.1% | −1.1 | — |
| Heavy | 396 | 36 | 9.1% | −1.1 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 1,973 | 214 | 10.8% | +0.6 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 519 | 66 | 12.7% | +2.5 | 2 from 6 |
| 6f – 7f | 2,321 | 226 | 9.7% | −0.5 | 0 from 1 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,709 | 199 | 11.6% | +1.4 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 1,327 | 129 | 9.7% | −0.5 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 735 | 64 | 8.7% | −1.5 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 300 | 28 | 9.3% | −0.9 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 58 | 1 | 1.7% | −8.5 | — |
| Over 3m | 8 | 0 | 0% | −10.2 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
4 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Magwadiri (IRE) (4 wins).
The wins came over 7f–1m½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Smiling Sunflower (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Magwadiri (IRE) | 32 | 4 | 7f–1m½f | Class 5 |
| Smiling Sunflower (IRE) | 26 | 3 | 7f–1m½f | Class 3 |
| Stay Thinking (IRE) | 9 | 0 | — | — |
| Fanny Des Hardys (IRE) | 22 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 4 | 1 | 25% | +6.00 |
| Good to Firm | 2 | 1 | 50% | +2.50 |
| Good to Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 1 | 4 | 1 | 25% | +6.00 |
| Class 4 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class 5 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +3.50 |
| Class 6 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ascot | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Newcastle | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| York | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Sandown | 1 | 1 | 100% | +9.00 |
| Doncaster | 1 | 1 | 100% | +3.50 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 6 | 2 | 33% | +8.50 |
| 6f – 7f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kieren Fallon | 5 | 1 | 20% | +5.00 |
| Paul Mulrennan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tom Eaves | 1 | 1 | 100% | +3.50 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2011 · 7 runs | |||||||||
| 01 Oct 11+42d | Ascot | Jaguar XJ Cornwallis Stakes (Group 3) | 7/16 | 1¼ | 9-0 | 97 | 86A | Kieren Fallon | 20/1 |
| 20 Aug 11+50d | York | Julia Graves Roses Stakes (Listed) | 9/10 | 3 | 9-3 | 97 | 59A | Kieren Fallon | 11/1 |
| 01 Jul 11+15d | Sandown | Bank Of New York Mellon Dragon Stakes (Listed) | 1/6 | 9-2 | — | 93B | Kieren Fallon | 9/1 | |
| 16 Jun 11+34d | Ascot | Norfolk Stakes (Group 2) | 7/15 | ¾ | 9-1 | — | 79A | Kieren Fallon | 33/1 |
| 13 May 11+13d | Newcastle | La Taxis Novice Stakes | 4/4 | 7 | 9-5 | — | 50C | Paul Mulrennan | 4/6F |
| 30 Apr 11+22d | Doncaster | Frenchgate Shopping Centre Maiden Stakes | 1/6 | 9-3 | — | 97B | Tom Eaves | 7/2C | |
| 08 Apr 11 | Newcastle | swarlandselfstorage.co.uk Median Auction Maiden Stakes | 3/5 | shd | 9-3 | — | 78B | Kieren Fallon | 3/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Forevertheoptimist won?
- Forevertheoptimist (IRE) won 2 of 7 archived starts in 2011, a strike rate of 28.6%. Placed 2 times in total (28.6% of starts).
- Who trained Forevertheoptimist?
- Forevertheoptimist (IRE) was trained by Linda Stubbs on the most recent run on record, at Ascot on 1 October 2011.
- Who is Forevertheoptimist's sire?
- Forevertheoptimist (IRE) is by Verglas (IRE) out of Hankering (IRE), whose sire is Missed Flight.
- What going does Forevertheoptimist prefer?
- Forevertheoptimist (IRE) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 4 starts (25%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Forevertheoptimist's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 97, from the run on 1 October 2011. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Forevertheoptimist's sire's record?
- Verglas (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.2% of 6,977 runs since Jan 2008 (499 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Forevertheoptimist's siblings?
- Out of Hankering (IRE), Forevertheoptimist (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Magwadiri (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Smiling Sunflower (IRE)). The wins came over 7f–1m½f. As at Oct 2026.