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Forgetthesmalltalk (IRE)

9yo gelding (at last run, Feb 2021) · Last trainer Alan King · Last owner Tim Leadbeater Barry Winfield
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Mylane Du Charmil (FR) (Saint Cyrien)
12 runs · 9 courses · from Jan 2017
As at 27 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 21 Feb 2021 — 2,074 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Feb 2021 · 5th of 13 First-time headgear LTO Last raced off OR 105
KTB Profile

Forgetthesmalltalk (IRE) is yet to win from 12 starts, though has placed 5 times. Best effort: 2nd of 14 at Kempton (Nov 2019). Last raced off 105, 14lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 12 archived runs · updated 27 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 14lb off peak
Official rating105↓ 14lb off peak
105 105–119

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 118 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Kempton, 25 Nov 2019

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 10 figures · best 126A · median 112
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
Soft4126A112—
Good to Soft4126A118—
Heavy1———
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m9126A106—
1m5f – 2m1———

Of 12 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (2).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 10 figures from 12 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 95C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Taunton, 26 Nov 2020 Official rating 105 at the last run, 21 Feb 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 12 figures · best 132A · median 110.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
Soft5131A109—
Good to Soft4132A123.5—
Good2105A100—
Heavy1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m11132A109—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 12 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 17,280 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.8—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.2—
Good4,05344110.9%−0.90 from 2
Good to Soft2,93235412.1%+0.30 from 4
Soft5,87675112.8%+10 from 5
Heavy3,81744911.8%00 from 1
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.8—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.8—
1m5f – 2m4,48454712.2%+0.40 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f6,08072411.9%+0.1—
2m5f – 3m5,25762211.8%00 from 11
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.1—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Mylane Du Charmil (FR) (Saint Cyrien)

No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 5 0 0% −5.00
Good to Soft 4 0 0% −4.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 8 0 0% −8.00
Class 5 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 3 1 0 0% −1.00
Class 6 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Taunton 2 0 0% −2.00
Exeter 2 0 0% −2.00
Warwick 2 0 0% −2.00
Market Rasen 1 0 0% −1.00
Newbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Kempton 1 0 0% −1.00
Ayr 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 11 0 0% −11.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Wayne Hutchinson 5 0 0% −5.00
Tom Cannon 3 0 0% −3.00
Max Browne 2 0 0% −2.00
Alexander Thorne 1 0 0% −1.00
Tom Bellamy 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 11 0 0% −11.00
Visor 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2021 1 0 0% −1.00
2020 3 0 0% −3.00
2019 1 0 0% −1.00
2018 1 0 0% −1.00
2017 6 0 0% −6.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 8 0 0% −8.00
Chase 3 0 0% −3.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2021 · 1 run
21 Feb 21+53d Market Rasen Mansionbet's Proud To Support British Racing Novices' Handicap Chase Class 5 · 24f · Soft · 13 ran 5/13 16 11-7 10548B94B Alexander Thorne 14/1
2020 · 3 runs
30 Dec 20+34d Taunton Setsquare Recruitment Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Class 4 · 23f · Heavy · 9 ran 7/9 25 11-3 10978C82C Tom Cannon 12/1
26 Nov 20+272d Taunton Invest Southwest Novices' Handicap Chase (GBB Race) Class 4 · 23f · Good · 11 ran 10/11 17 11-6 114—95C Tom Cannon 17/2
28 Feb 20+95d Newbury Greenham Trust Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 24f · Soft · 10 ran 8/10 5 11-1 116—100C Max Browne 10/3F
2019 · 1 run
25 Nov 19+584d Kempton Wise Betting At racingtv.com Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 24.5f · Good To Soft · 14 ran 2/14 1 10-13 114118B123A Max Browne 16/1
2018 · 1 run
20 Apr 18+118d Ayr Seko Logistics Scotland Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 24.5f · Good · 18 ran 12/18 1 11-6 11994B105A Tom Bellamy 7/1
2017 · 6 runs
23 Dec 17+38d Ascot Foundation Developments Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23.5f · Good To Soft · 14 ran 2/14 1¾ 11-10 118118B132A Wayne Hutchinson 7/2F
15 Nov 17+22d Exeter Premier League Betting At 188bet Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23f · Soft · 12 ran 2/12 1¼ 11-11 114126A131A Tom Cannon 11/4F
24 Oct 17+208d Exeter Ilfracombe Food Service Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23f · Good To Soft · 11 ran 3/11 1½ 11-9 11299A124A Wayne Hutchinson 5/1
30 Mar 17+36d Warwick Premier League Darts At 188Bet Maiden Hurdle Class 5 · 21f · Soft · 14 ran 4/14 ½ 11-2 —106B109A Wayne Hutchinson 11/4J
22 Feb 17+27d Ludlow Ludlow Point To Point 1st April Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 24f · Good To Soft · 8 ran 2/8 1¾ 11-4 —126A112B Wayne Hutchinson 12/1
26 Jan 17 Warwick Bet 10 Get 30 At 188Bet Intermediate Open NH Flat Race (Div 1) Class 6 · 16f · Soft · 14 ran 4/14 2¼ 11-4 —118B115A Wayne Hutchinson 8/1

Quick answers

How many races has Forgetthesmalltalk won?
Forgetthesmalltalk (IRE) has yet to win, from 12 archived starts between 2017 and 2021. Placed 5 times in total (41.7% of starts).
Who trained Forgetthesmalltalk?
Forgetthesmalltalk (IRE) was trained by Alan King on the most recent run on record, at Market Rasen on 21 February 2021.
Who is Forgetthesmalltalk's sire?
Forgetthesmalltalk (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Mylane Du Charmil (FR), whose sire is Saint Cyrien.
What is Forgetthesmalltalk's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 105, from the run on 21 February 2021. The highest on record is 119.
What is Forgetthesmalltalk's sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 17,280 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses), Flat and jumps together.

Record shown from January 2017. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.