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Horse profile

Never Say When (IRE)

3yo colt (at last run, Apr 2021) · Last trainer Sir Michael Stoute · Last owner Mohamed Obaida
by No Nay Never (USA) out of Lady Soldier (IRE) (Erewhon)
4 runs · 3 courses · from Jun 2020
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 20 Apr 2021 — 2,016 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Apr 2021 · 7th of 8 Won at Kempton (AW) Last raced off OR 76
KTB Profile

Never Say When (IRE) is 1 from 4, the win coming at Class 5 level. Hasn't won since Jun 2020.

Based on 4 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Win at Class 5

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 80 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Salisbury, 9 Aug 2020

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Flat 4 figures · best 80A · median 68
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)270C64—
Good1———
Good to Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
6f – 7f380A70—
1m – 1m1f1———

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 81A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Salisbury, 9 Aug 2020 Official rating 76 at the last run, 20 Apr 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 4 figures · best 81A · median 66.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)270B66.5—
Good1———
Good to Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
6f – 7f381A70—
1m – 1m1f1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
No Nay Never (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,335 runs since Jan 2008 (707 horses).

Weakest on good to soft going: 9% from 612. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.6% from 185.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm16531.3%+19.2—
Good to Firm92712213.2%+1.10 from 1
Good1,48918112.2%+0.10 from 1
Good to Soft612559%−3.1—
Soft84511013%+0.9—
Heavy2853713%+0.9—
Standard (AW)2,16125611.8%−0.31 from 2
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f91112213.4%+1.3—
6f – 7f3,39144013%+0.91 from 3
1m – 1m1f1,18313111.1%−10 from 1
1m2f – 1m4f583549.3%−2.8—
1m5f – 2m185147.6%−4.5—
2m1f – 2m4f7756.5%−5.6—
2m5f – 3m500%−12.1—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Lady Soldier (IRE) (Erewhon)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Golden Belle (IRE)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 2 1 50% +6.50
Good 1 0 0% −1.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 5 2 1 50% +6.50

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Kempton (AW) 2 1 50% +6.50
Epsom Downs 1 0 0% −1.00
Salisbury 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
6f – 7f 3 1 33% +5.50
1m – 1m1f 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Ryan Moore 2 1 50% +6.50
Frankie Dettori 1 0 0% −1.00
Richard Kingscote 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 3 1 33% +5.50
Tongue tie 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2021 1 0 0% −1.00
2020 3 1 33% +5.50

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2021 · 1 run
20 Apr 21+227d Epsom Downs Jockey Club Thanks All Owners Handicap Class 4 · 8.5f · Good · 8 ran 7/8 3¼ 9-3 7666B61A Ryan Moore 14/1
2020 · 3 runs
05 Sep 20+27d Kempton (AW) Try Our New Super Boosts At Unibet Nursery Class 4 · 7f · Standard To Slow · 8 ran 8/8 1¾ 8-13 7758A63A Frankie Dettori 11/2
09 Aug 20+47d Salisbury AJN Steelstock Kentford British EBF Novice Stakes Class 5 · 6f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 4/10 1 9-9 —80A81A Richard Kingscote 7/2
23 Jun 20 Kempton (AW) British Stallion Studs EBF Novice Stakes (Plus 10) Class 5 · 6f · Standard To Slow · 4 ran 1/4 9-5 —70C70B Ryan Moore 15/2

Quick answers

How many races has Never Say When won?
Never Say When (IRE) won 1 of 4 archived starts between 2020 and 2021, a strike rate of 25%. Placed 1 time in total (25% of starts).
Who trained Never Say When?
Never Say When (IRE) was trained by Sir Michael Stoute on the most recent run on record, at Epsom Downs on 20 April 2021.
Who is Never Say When's sire?
Never Say When (IRE) is by No Nay Never (USA) out of Lady Soldier (IRE), whose sire is Erewhon.
What is Never Say When's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 76, from the run on 20 April 2021. The highest on record is 77.
What is Never Say When's sire's record?
No Nay Never (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,335 runs since Jan 2008 (707 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on good to soft going: 9% from 612. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.6% from 185.
Who are Never Say When's siblings?
Out of Lady Soldier (IRE), Never Say When (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from June 2020. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.