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Horse profile

Not Before Eight (IRE)

11yo gelding (at last run, Dec 2015) · Last trainer D M Christie · Last owner D M Christie
by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Supreme Evening (IRE) (Supreme Leader)
30 runs · 13 courses · from Dec 2009
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 26 Dec 2015 — 3,952 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Dec 2015 · 10th of 14 Won at Downpatrick Last raced off OR 122
KTB Profile

Not Before Eight (IRE) is 1 from 30. Hasn't won since Dec 2011. Last raced off a career-high mark of 122.

Based on 30 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR at career high
Official rating122At career-high mark
122 95–122

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 114A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Downpatrick, 6 Mar 2013 Official rating 122 at the last run, 26 Dec 2015

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 27 figures · best 130A · median 108
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Heavy14129A106—
Soft5108A105—
Good4122A110—
Good to Soft2130A122—
Good to Firm2118A114.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m16130A105.5—
Over 3m6122A114.5—
2m1f – 2m4f4118A104—
1m5f – 2m1———

Of 30 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (3).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 27 figures from 30 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Flemensfirth (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm3800%−11.9—
Good to Firm522509.6%−2.30 from 2
Good4,05144110.9%−10 from 5
Good to Soft2,93135412.1%+0.20 from 2
Soft5,87675112.8%+0.90 from 7
Heavy3,81444911.8%−0.11 from 14
Standard (AW)4224.8%−7.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−11.9—
1m2f – 1m4f2514%−7.9—
1m5f – 2m4,48454712.2%+0.30 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f6,07772411.9%00 from 4
2m5f – 3m5,25462211.8%−0.11 from 16
Over 3m1,43215310.7%−1.20 from 9

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Supreme Evening (IRE) (Supreme Leader)

6 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Aerlite Supreme (IRE) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m–3m1f; the highest grade won is Class 1 (Operation Houdini (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Aerlite Supreme (IRE)3852m–2m4fClass 4
Operation Houdini (IRE)3852m6½f–3m1fClass 1
Tommy Rapper (IRE)2242m5f–2m7fClass 2
Gold Blade (IRE)10——
Another Evening (IRE)50——
Ask Me Out (IRE)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Heavy 14 1 7% −1.00
Soft 7 0 0% −7.00
Good 5 0 0% −5.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Firm 2 0 0% −2.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 2 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Fairyhouse 6 0 0% −6.00
Punchestown 4 0 0% −4.00
Down Royal 3 0 0% −3.00
Thurles 3 0 0% −3.00
Naas 3 0 0% −3.00
Downpatrick 2 1 50% +11.00
Leopardstown 2 0 0% −2.00
Kilbeggan 2 0 0% −2.00
Cheltenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Wexford 1 0 0% −1.00
Gowran Park 1 0 0% −1.00
Sligo 1 0 0% −1.00
Navan 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 16 1 6% −3.00
Over 3m 9 0 0% −9.00
2m1f – 2m4f 4 0 0% −4.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
B J Cooper 11 0 0% −11.00
Mr B O'Neill 10 1 10% +3.00
Mr M J O'Connor 3 0 0% −3.00
Phillip Enright 2 0 0% −2.00
Mr Finian Maguire 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr J P McKeown 1 0 0% −1.00
Niall P Madden 1 0 0% −1.00
Robert Jones 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Cheekpieces 21 1 5% −8.00
None 8 0 0% −8.00
Blinkers 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2015 2 0 0% −2.00
2013 2 0 0% −2.00
2012 5 0 0% −5.00
2011 11 1 9% +2.00
2010 9 0 0% −9.00
2009 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 23 1 4% −10.00
Hurdle 5 0 0% −5.00
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
26 Dec 15+16d Down Royal Silks At downroyal Hunters Chase 22f · Heavy · 14 ran 10/14 2¾ 11-4 122103C Mr B O'Neill 16/1
10 Dec 15+1009d Punchestown Racing Again At Punchestown On New Year's Eve Hunters Chase 22f · Soft To Heavy · 15 ran 4/15 11 10-13 12291A Mr Finian Maguire 12/1
06 Mar 13+25d Downpatrick Shabra Charity Foundation Hunters Chase 21.5f · Good To Yielding · 10 ran 4/10 4½ 11-11 122114A Mr B O'Neill 5/1
09 Feb 13+45d Leopardstown Raymond Smith Memorial Hunters Chase 24f · Soft To Heavy · 17 ran 10/17 11 11-9 122104C Mr B O'Neill 25/1
26 Dec 12+260d Down Royal Dark Horse Cafe & Wine Bar Hunters Chase 23f · Heavy · 17 ran 11/17 1¼ 11-6 122101C Mr B O'Neill 16/1
10 Apr 12+25d Fairyhouse Fairyhouse Steel Joseph R. O'Reilly Memorial Hunters Chase 25f · Soft · 16 ran F/16 — 11-5 122— Mr B O'Neill 10/1
16 Mar 12+33d Cheltenham Christie's Foxhunter Chase Challenge Cup Class 2 · 26.5f · Good · 22 ran 9/22 10 12-0 114111A Mr B O'Neill 40/1
12 Feb 12+24d Leopardstown Raymond Smith Memorial Hunters Chase 24f · Good To Soft · 17 ran 4/17 nse 11-9 114130A Mr B O'Neill 33/1
19 Jan 12+24d Thurles Arctic Tack Stud Hunters Chase 24f · Soft · 13 ran 4/13 22 11-6 115104C Mr B O'Neill 9/1
26 Dec 11+5d Down Royal Dark Horse Cafe & Wine Bar Hunters Chase 23f · Heavy · 18 ran 2/18 nse 11-6 106129A Mr B O'Neill 10/1
21 Dec 11+24d Downpatrick Downpatrick Christmas Party Hunters Chase 21.5f · Soft To Heavy · 15 ran 1/15 11-2 106121A Mr B O'Neill 12/1
27 Nov 11+175d Wexford Rosslare Hunters Chase 22f · Soft · 15 ran 6/15 3¼ 11-1 106107A Mr J P McKeown 12/1
05 Jun 11+11d Kilbeggan Dunbia Handicap Chase (0-116) 25f · Good · 14 ran PU/14 — 11-7 107— Niall P Madden 8/1
25 May 11+11d Punchestown Conyngham Cup (Q.R.) Handicap Chase (0-123) 25f · Good · 20 ran 5/20 1¾ 11-2 107122A Mr M J O'Connor 8/1J
14 May 11+19d Kilbeggan Belvedere House, Gardens & Park Handicap Chase (0-123) 25f · Good To Firm · 14 ran 2/14 9 10-10 106118A Phillip Enright 8/1
25 Apr 11+75d Fairyhouse Follow Us On Facebook Handicap Chase (0-135) 25f · Good · 18 ran 5/18 ½ 9-10 107109A Robert Jones 14/1
09 Feb 11+10d Punchestown Eadestown Handicap Chase (0-109) 24f · Heavy · 17 ran 9/17 ½ 11-7 108104C B J Cooper 7/1
30 Jan 11+14d Punchestown Association Of Irish Racehorse Owners Grand National Trial Handicap Chase (Grade C) 28f · Soft · 16 ran UR/16 — 9-5 108— B J Cooper 8/1
16 Jan 11+15d Fairyhouse Tote Trifecta Rollover Handicap Chase (0-116) 25f · Heavy · 15 ran 2/15 1½ 10-10 105122A B J Cooper 8/1
01 Jan 11+42d Fairyhouse Porterstown Handicap Chase (0-140) (Grade C) 29f · Soft To Heavy · 15 ran 3/15 7 9-10 105111A Phillip Enright 13/2
20 Nov 10+30d Gowran Park Gowran Park Racing Club 2011 Handicap Hurdle (80-109) 24f · Soft To Heavy · 20 ran 5/20 4 10-7 95108A B J Cooper 14/1
21 Oct 10+12d Thurles Liams Legends 2010 Beginners Chase 22f · Good · 15 ran 7/15 9 11-7 10794A B J Cooper 8/1
09 Oct 10+9d Fairyhouse Itba M/l/w Region & Gain Horse Feeds Support Local Racetracks Beginners Chase 24f · Good To Firm · 9 ran 2/9 1 11-7 —111A B J Cooper 7/2
30 Sep 10+189d Sligo Info At countysligoraces Beginners Chase 17f · Yielding · 14 ran 4/14 13 11-7 —105A B J Cooper 16/1
25 Mar 10+18d Thurles Devil's Bit Maiden Hurdle 24f · Soft To Heavy · 18 ran 10/18 5½ 10-11 9592C B J Cooper 7/1
07 Mar 10+15d Naas Lakelands Maiden Hurdle 24f · Yielding To Soft · 18 ran 3/18 shd 11-5 95108A B J Cooper 11/2
20 Feb 10+14d Fairyhouse Early Bird Discounted Tickets For Easter Maiden Hurdle 20f · Soft · 25 ran 5/25 2 11-5 95103A B J Cooper 8/1
06 Feb 10+18d Naas More Ante-post Value On Betfair Maiden Hurdle 19f · Heavy · 24 ran 6/24 ½ 11-5 —100A B J Cooper 12/1
19 Jan 10+31d Naas Ladbrokes Cheltenham Bumper Series (Pro/Am) Flat Race 19f · Heavy · 10 ran 3/10 shd 12-0 —118A Mr M J O'Connor 7/1
19 Dec 09 Navan Athlumney (pro/am) Flat Race 16f · Heavy · 11 ran 3/11 1½ 12-0 —110A Mr M J O'Connor 13/2

Quick answers

How many races has Not Before Eight (IRE) won?
Not Before Eight (IRE) won 1 of 30 archived starts between 2009 and 2015, a strike rate of 3.3%. Placed 9 times in total (30% of starts).
Who trained Not Before Eight (IRE)?
Not Before Eight (IRE) was trained by D M Christie on the most recent run on record, at Down Royal on 26 December 2015.
Who is Not Before Eight (IRE)'s sire?
Not Before Eight (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Supreme Evening (IRE), whose sire is Supreme Leader.
What going does Not Before Eight (IRE) prefer?
Not Before Eight (IRE) has the best record on heavy going: 1 win from 14 starts (7.1%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Not Before Eight (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 122, from the run on 26 December 2015. That is also the highest on record.
What is Not Before Eight (IRE)'s sire's record?
Flemensfirth (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.9% of 17,274 runs since Jan 2008 (1,594 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Not Before Eight (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Supreme Evening (IRE), Not Before Eight (IRE) has 6 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Aerlite Supreme (IRE) (5). Highest grade won: Class 1 (Operation Houdini (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–3m1f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from December 2009. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.