Presumptive (IRE)
Presumptive (IRE) is 2 from 19, both wins coming at Class 2 level. Hasn't won since May 2007.
- 2–19Wins / Runs
- 10.5%Strike rate
- 8 (42.1%)Placed
- +9.00£1 level staken=19 at SP
- 1.34Fair A/E n=19 · 1.09 incl. margin
- 96Highest OR
- 70dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 11.6% of 831 runs since Jan 2008 (63 horses).
Strongest on standard (aw) going: 15.4% from 298. Strongest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 20.7% from 217. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.5% from 168.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 16 | 2 | 12.5% | +0.9 | — |
| Good to Firm | 159 | 19 | 11.9% | +0.3 | 1 from 5 |
| Good | 167 | 18 | 10.8% | −0.8 | 0 from 4 |
| Good to Soft | 80 | 4 | 5% | −6.6 | 0 from 3 |
| Soft | 84 | 5 | 6% | −5.6 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 27 | 2 | 7.4% | −4.2 | 0 from 1 |
| Standard (AW) | 298 | 46 | 15.4% | +3.8 | 1 from 5 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 41 | 1 | 2.4% | −9.2 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 168 | 11 | 6.5% | −5.1 | 2 from 17 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 150 | 12 | 8% | −3.6 | 0 from 2 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 217 | 45 | 20.7% | +9.1 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 164 | 21 | 12.8% | +1.2 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 67 | 3 | 4.5% | −7.1 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 21 | 2 | 9.5% | −2.1 | — |
| Over 3m | 3 | 1 | 33.3% | +21.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 21 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
8 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Dynastic (GB) (4 wins).
The wins came over 6f–2m½f; the highest grade won is Listed (Il Warrd (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dynastic (GB) | 26 | 4 | 1m–2m½f | Class 5 |
| Il Warrd (IRE) | 11 | 3 | 7f–1m | Listed |
| Little Garcon (USA) | 34 | 3 | 6f | Class 2 |
| Dance Spiel (GB) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Sinnomore (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Viennese Waltz (IRE) | 5 | 0 | — | — |
| Cross Section (USA) | 8 | 0 | — | — |
| Cinema Paradiso (USA) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 5 | 1 | 20% | +10.00 |
| Good to Firm | 5 | 1 | 20% | +8.00 |
| Good | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Heavy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 2 | 11 | 2 | 18% | +17.00 |
| Class 3 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Class 4 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kempton (AW) | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Ascot | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Goodwood | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Newmarket | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Sandown | 2 | 1 | 50% | +11.00 |
| Newcastle | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Chester | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Lingfield (AW) | 1 | 1 | 100% | +14.00 |
| Lingfield | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Windsor | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 17 | 2 | 12% | +11.00 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Steve Drowne | 10 | 1 | 10% | +3.00 |
| Richard Kingscote | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| David Probert | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Chris Catlin | 2 | 1 | 50% | +13.00 |
| Miss F Cumani | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ryan Moore | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2007 | 8 | 1 | 13% | +7.00 |
| 2006 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| 2005 | 4 | 1 | 25% | +9.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 08 Oct 08+45d | Kempton (AW) | Tfm Networks Handicap | 7/13 | ½ | 9-3 | 92 | 84A | Richard Kingscote | 7/1 |
| 24 Aug 08+29d | Goodwood | TurfTV.co.uk Handicap | 11/11 | 1 | 9-3 | 94 | 65A | Steve Drowne | 10/1 |
| 26 Jul 08+36d | Ascot | totesport International Heritage Handicap | 8/25 | 1 | 8-6 | 94 | 87A | David Probert | 33/1 |
| 20 Jun 08+41d | Newmarket | Corporatefx Private Clients Handicap | 3/12 | ½ | 9-7 | 94 | 89A | David Probert | 10/1 |
| 10 May 08+28d | Ascot | totesport Victoria Cup Heritage Handicap | 15/22 | ½ | 9-1 | 96 | 69A | Steve Drowne | 12/1 |
| 12 Apr 08+196d | Kempton (AW) | oddschecker.com Casino & Poker Handicap | 4/10 | 2½ | 9-3 | 96 | 84A | Steve Drowne | 6/1 |
| 29 Sep 07+14d | Ascot | totesport.com Challenge Cup Heritage Handicap | 4/23 | 1½ | 8-11 | 95 | 87C | Steve Drowne | 33/1 |
| 15 Sep 07+49d | Goodwood | Shell House Handicap | 2/13 | shd | 9-5 | 92 | 89C | Steve Drowne | 10/1 |
| 28 Jul 07+28d | Ascot | Evelyn Hankinson Memorial Ladies Handicap | 3/21 | hd | 10-5 | 90 | 95C | Miss F Cumani | 14/1 |
| 30 Jun 07+18d | Newcastle | Journal 175 Anniversary Handicap | 9/10 | 16 | 9-8 | 91 | 54C | Ryan Moore | 10/1 |
| 12 Jun 07+14d | Chester | High Street Vouchers Handicap | 7/13 | shd | 9-7 | 92 | 76C | Chris Catlin | 9/1 |
| 29 May 07+25d | Sandown | Join wbx.com For 150 Pounds In Free Bets Handicap | 3/7 | 1½ | 8-12 | 92 | 76C | Richard Kingscote | 7/1 |
| 04 May 07+34d | Lingfield (AW) | betdirectpoker.com Hcp | 1/11 | 8-4 | 88 | 78C | Chris Catlin | 14/1 | |
| 31 Mar 07+364d | Kempton (AW) | intercasino.co.uk Handicap | 6/12 | ¾ | 8-3 | 88 | 70C | Richard Kingscote | 15/2 |
| 01 Apr 06+270d | Kempton (AW) | Play Blackjack At intercasino.co.uk Handicap | 2/15 | 2½ | 8-7 | 87 | 82C | Steve Drowne | 12/1 |
| 05 Jul 05+24d | Newmarket | RBS Handicap | 17/19 | 6 | 9-10 | 87 | 53C | Steve Drowne | 6/1 |
| 11 Jun 05+36d | Sandown | Paddypowercasino.com Handicap | 1/16 | 8-13 | 81 | 82C | Steve Drowne | 12/1 | |
| 06 May 05+11d | Lingfield | Classified Stakes | 7/14 | nk | 9-7 | 80 | 75C | Steve Drowne | 7/2F |
| 25 Apr 05 | Windsor | Handicap | 2/15 | 1¾ | 9-9 | 80 | 82C | Steve Drowne | 12/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Presumptive (IRE) won?
- Presumptive (IRE) won 2 of 19 archived starts between 2005 and 2008, a strike rate of 10.5%. Placed 8 times in total (42.1% of starts).
- Who trained Presumptive (IRE)?
- Presumptive (IRE) was trained by Roger Charlton on the most recent run on record, at Kempton (AW) on 8 October 2008.
- Who is Presumptive (IRE)'s sire?
- Presumptive (IRE) is by Danehill (USA) out of Demure (GB), whose sire is Machiavellian.
- What going does Presumptive (IRE) prefer?
- Presumptive (IRE) has the best record on standard (aw) going: 1 win from 5 starts (20%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Presumptive (IRE)'s official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 92, from the run on 8 October 2008. The highest on record is 96.
- What is Presumptive (IRE)'s sire's record?
- Danehill (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.6% of 831 runs since Jan 2008 (63 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on standard (aw) going: 15.4% from 298. Strongest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 20.7% from 217. Weakest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 6.5% from 168.
- Who are Presumptive (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Demure (GB), Presumptive (IRE) has 8 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Dynastic (GB) (4). Highest grade won: Listed (Il Warrd (IRE)). The wins came over 6f–2m½f. As at Oct 2026.