Some Say (IRE)
Some Say (IRE) is 1 from 9. Hasn't won since Jul 2011. Last raced off a career-high mark of 106.
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Some Say (IRE) has 2 produce in the archive, 0 winners.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Officernisi (IRE) | 7 | 0 | — | — |
| Some Say Theatre (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
- 1–9Wins / Runs
- 11.1%Strike rate
- 2 (22.2%)Placed
- −4.50£1 level staken=9 at SP
- 0.88Fair A/E n=9 · 0.73 incl. margin
- 106Highest OR
- 38dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 14.4% of 12,129 runs since Jan 2008 (746 horses).
Weakest on standard (aw) going: 4.8% from 125. Weakest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 7.9% from 203.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 44 | 4 | 9.1% | −5.3 | — |
| Good to Firm | 786 | 120 | 15.3% | +0.9 | — |
| Good | 4,055 | 595 | 14.7% | +0.3 | — |
| Good to Soft | 2,134 | 316 | 14.8% | +0.4 | 1 from 2 |
| Soft | 3,300 | 464 | 14.1% | −0.3 | 0 from 2 |
| Heavy | 1,684 | 246 | 14.6% | +0.2 | 0 from 5 |
| Standard (AW) | 125 | 6 | 4.8% | −9.6 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −14.4 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 17 | 1 | 5.9% | −8.5 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 28 | 0 | 0% | −14.4 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 203 | 16 | 7.9% | −6.5 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 3,344 | 476 | 14.2% | −0.2 | 0 from 5 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 4,314 | 651 | 15.1% | +0.7 | 1 from 3 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 3,308 | 479 | 14.5% | +0.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Over 3m | 911 | 129 | 14.2% | −0.2 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
7 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Blacklough (IRE) (4 wins).
The wins came over 1m7½f–2m3f; the highest grade won is Class 1 (Blacklough (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Blacklough (IRE) | 25 | 4 | 2m–2m3f | Class 1 |
| Banjo Girl (IRE) | 12 | 3 | 1m7½f–2m1½f | Class 3 |
| Grania O'malley (IRE) | 32 | 3 | 1m7½f–2m | Class 4 |
| Armchair Theatre (IRE) | 5 | 2 | 2m | Class 5 |
| Youhadmeathello (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
| Sleepy Hollow (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Tap The Odds (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Heavy | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Good to Soft | 2 | 1 | 50% | +2.50 |
| Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Naas | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Sligo | 2 | 1 | 50% | +2.50 |
| Down Royal | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Navan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Galway | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Ballinrobe | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Clonmel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 3 | 1 | 33% | +1.50 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| D J Casey | 6 | 1 | 17% | −1.50 |
| Alan Crowe | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cathal Landers | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 5 | 1 | 20% | −0.50 |
| Tongue tie | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2011 | 6 | 1 | 17% | −1.50 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 01 Feb 12+17d | Down Royal | Weatherbys Bloodstock Insurance Novice Handicap Hurdle (80-109) | 5/8 | 15 | 11-9 | 106 | 98A | D J Casey | 10/1 |
| 15 Jan 12+7d | Navan | Meath Handicap Hurdle (80-109) | 4/13 | 2 | 11-9 | 106 | 120A | D J Casey | 8/1 |
| 08 Jan 12+57d | Naas | Martinstown Opportunity Handicap Hurdle (80-109) | 3/6 | nk | 11-6 | 105 | 116B | Cathal Landers | 5/4F |
| 12 Nov 11+20d | Naas | Event Hire At Naas Racecourse Handicap Hurdle (81-123) | 5/14 | 1¼ | 11-4 | 105 | 125A | D J Casey | 10/1 |
| 23 Oct 11+96d | Galway | John Mulholland Bookmakers Handicap Hurdle (81-123) | PU/20 | — | 10-8 | 105 | — | D J Casey | 12/1 |
| 19 Jul 11+9d | Ballinrobe | Eamon Sheridan Plant Hire Novice Hurdle | 3/4 | 9 | 11-7 | — | 108B | Alan Crowe | 7/2 |
| 10 Jul 11+48d | Sligo | Irish Stallion Farms E.B.F. Mares Maiden Hurdle | 1/16 | 10-13 | — | 118A | D J Casey | 7/2 | |
| 23 May 11+46d | Sligo | June 28th At Sligo Mares Maiden Hurdle | 2/14 | 4½ | 10-13 | — | 105A | D J Casey | 10/1 |
| 07 Apr 11 | Clonmel | Slievenamon Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) | 9/17 | nk | 10-13 | — | 98A | Alan Crowe | 33/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Some Say (IRE) won?
- Some Say (IRE) won 1 of 9 archived starts between 2011 and 2012, a strike rate of 11.1%. Placed 2 times in total (22.2% of starts).
- Who trained Some Say (IRE)?
- Some Say (IRE) was trained by J A Nash on the most recent run on record, at Down Royal on 1 February 2012.
- Who is Some Say (IRE)'s sire?
- Some Say (IRE) is by King's Theatre (IRE) out of Oh Susannah (FR), whose sire is Turgeon.
- What is Some Say (IRE)'s official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 106, from the run on 1 February 2012. That is also the highest on record.
- What is Some Say (IRE)'s sire's record?
- King's Theatre (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 14.4% of 12,129 runs since Jan 2008 (746 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on standard (aw) going: 4.8% from 125. Weakest over 1m2f – 1m4f (all codes): 7.9% from 203.
- Who are Some Say (IRE)'s siblings?
- Out of Oh Susannah (FR), Some Say (IRE) has 7 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Blacklough (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 1 (Blacklough (IRE)). The wins came over 1m7½f–2m3f. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Some Say (IRE) produced winners?
- As a dam, Some Say (IRE) has 2 produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.