Thisthatandtother (IRE)
Thisthatandtother (IRE) is 2 from 13. Hasn't won since Feb 2008. Last raced off 145, 14lb below the career-high mark.
- 2–13Wins / Runs
- 15.4%Strike rate
- 7 (53.8%)Placed
- −6.28£1 level staken=13 at SP
- 0.63Fair A/E n=13 · 0.56 incl. margin
- 159Highest OR
- 97dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 3,724 runs since Jan 2008 (338 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 24 | 4 | 16.7% | +4.9 | — |
| Good to Firm | 268 | 37 | 13.8% | +2 | — |
| Good | 976 | 100 | 10.2% | −1.6 | 1 from 5 |
| Good to Soft | 572 | 58 | 10.1% | −1.7 | 0 from 6 |
| Soft | 1,066 | 130 | 12.2% | +0.4 | 1 from 2 |
| Heavy | 794 | 106 | 13.4% | +1.6 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 24 | 4 | 16.7% | +4.9 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −11.8 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 12 | 0 | 0% | −11.8 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 30 | 1 | 3.3% | −8.5 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 863 | 110 | 12.7% | +0.9 | 0 from 1 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1,319 | 166 | 12.6% | +0.8 | 1 from 4 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 1,199 | 133 | 11.1% | −0.7 | 1 from 6 |
| Over 3m | 300 | 29 | 9.7% | −2.1 | 0 from 2 |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
6 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Carlingford Lough (IRE) (10 wins).
The wins came over 2m–3m1f; the highest grade won is Grade 1 (Carlingford Lough (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Carlingford Lough (IRE) | 38 | 10 | 2m–3m1f | Grade 1 |
| The Tother One (IRE) | 19 | 6 | 2m–3m | Grade 3 |
| Polar Scout (IRE) | 9 | 1 | 2m3f | Class 3 |
| Turica (IRE) | 11 | 0 | — | — |
| Aventia (IRE) | 6 | 0 | — | — |
| St Blazey (IRE) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Soft | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| Good | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
| Soft | 2 | 1 | 50% | −0.78 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 1 | 10 | 1 | 10% | −4.50 |
| Class 2 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class 4 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Class 6 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.22 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cheltenham | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
| Aintree | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Huntingdon | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Fakenham | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Fontwell | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.22 |
| Ascot | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m5f – 3m | 6 | 1 | 17% | −0.50 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 4 | 1 | 25% | −2.78 |
| Over 3m | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| R Walsh | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
| Nick Scholfield | 3 | 1 | 33% | −1.78 |
| Jamie Moore | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Sam Thomas | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Liam Heard | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Wayne Hutchinson | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Christian Williams | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 | 3 | 1 | 33% | −1.78 |
| 2007 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2006 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 2005 | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2008 · 3 runs | |||||||||
| 03 Apr 08+48d | Aintree | John Smith's Fox Hunters' Chase (Nat Course) | 5/19 | 14 | 12-0 | 145 | 101C | Nick Scholfield | 3/1F |
| 15 Feb 08+12d | Fakenham | Walter Wales Fox Hunters' Chase | 2/6 | 1¾ | 11-11 | 149 | 115B | Nick Scholfield | 1/8F |
| 03 Feb 08+295d | Fontwell | Equine America Hunters' Chase | 1/5 | 11-11 | 155 | 125B | Nick Scholfield | 2/9F | |
| 2007 · 3 runs | |||||||||
| 14 Apr 07+30d | Aintree | John Smith's Grand National Chase (Handicap) (Grade 3) | PU/40 | — | 11-5 | 151 | — | Jamie Moore | 50/1 |
| 15 Mar 07+26d | Cheltenham | Ryanair Chase (Grade 2) | 7/9 | hd | 11-0 | 146 | 117C | Sam Thomas | 16/1 |
| 17 Feb 07+70d | Ascot | Commercial First Ascot Chase (Grade 1) | 2/7 | 8 | 11-7 | 155 | 124C | R Walsh | 4/1 |
| 2006 · 2 runs | |||||||||
| 09 Dec 06+21d | Cheltenham | Boylesports.com Gold Cup Handicap Chase (Grade 3) | 5/12 | ½ | 11-9 | 157 | 136C | Liam Heard | 12/1 |
| 18 Nov 06+343d | Huntingdon | totesport.com Peterborough Chase | 2/5 | 4 | 11-0 | — | 119C | Wayne Hutchinson | 4/1 |
| 2005 · 5 runs | |||||||||
| 10 Dec 05+21d | Cheltenham | Robin Cook Handicap Chase (Grade 3) | F/16 | — | 11-11 | 157 | — | Christian Williams | 15/2 |
| 19 Nov 05+226d | Huntingdon | Totesport Peterborough Chase (Grade 2) | 3/11 | 3½ | 11-10 | 159 | 121C | R Walsh | 3/1 |
| 07 Apr 05+21d | Aintree | Betfair Bowl Chase (Grade 2) | 4/8 | 2½ | 11-12 | 159 | 115C | R Walsh | 5/1 |
| 17 Mar 05+47d | Cheltenham | Daily Telegraph Chase | 1/12 | 11-3 | 155 | 121C | R Walsh | 9/2 | |
| 29 Jan 05 | Cheltenham | Victor Chandler Handicap Chase (Grade2) | 2/10 | 1¾ | 10-4 | 156 | 119C | R Walsh | 2/1F |
Quick answers
- How many races has Thisthatandtother won?
- Thisthatandtother (IRE) won 2 of 13 archived starts between 2005 and 2008, a strike rate of 15.4%. Placed 7 times in total (53.8% of starts).
- Who trained Thisthatandtother?
- Thisthatandtother (IRE) was trained by Paul Nicholls on the most recent run on record, at Aintree on 3 April 2008.
- Who is Thisthatandtother's sire?
- Thisthatandtother (IRE) is by Bob Back (USA) out of Baden (IRE), whose sire is Furry Glen.
- What going does Thisthatandtother prefer?
- Thisthatandtother (IRE) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 5 starts (20%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Thisthatandtother's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 145, from the run on 3 April 2008. The highest on record is 159.
- What is Thisthatandtother's sire's record?
- Bob Back (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 11.8% of 3,724 runs since Jan 2008 (338 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Thisthatandtother's siblings?
- Out of Baden (IRE), Thisthatandtother (IRE) has 6 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Carlingford Lough (IRE) (10). Highest grade won: Grade 1 (Carlingford Lough (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–3m1f. As at Oct 2026.