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Horse profile

Thorny Issue (GB)

6yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2005) · Last trainer M J Gingell · Last owner Mrs Diana Hall
by Thethingaboutitis (USA) out of Rose of Macmillion (GB) (Macmillion)
4 runs · 4 courses · from Sep 2005
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 23 Oct 2005 — 7,683 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2005
KTB Profile

Thorny Issue (GB) is yet to win from 4 starts.

Based on 4 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 80C the best of the last 1 rated run · Market Rasen, 16 Oct 2005

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 1 figure · too few for a breakdown

Of 4 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (3).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 1 figure from 4 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Thethingaboutitis (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 3% of 66 runs since Jan 2008 (10 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Good to Firm1200%−30 from 1
Good1600%−30 from 3
Good to Soft9222.2%+19.2—
Soft1700%−3—
Heavy500%−3—
Standard (AW)700%−3—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f500%−3—
1m – 1m1f200%−3—
1m2f – 1m4f500%−3—
1m5f – 2m1600%−3—
2m1f – 2m4f1700%−30 from 2
2m5f – 3m16212.5%+9.50 from 2
Over 3m500%−3—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Rose of Macmillion (GB) (Macmillion)

No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 3 0 0% −3.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Towcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Market Rasen 1 0 0% −1.00
Uttoxeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Mr Matthew Smith 2 0 0% −2.00
Alan O'Keeffe 1 0 0% −1.00
Sean Curran 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 2 0 0% −2.00
Visor 1 0 0% −1.00
Cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 3 0 0% −3.00
Chase 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2005 · 4 runs
23 Oct 05+7d Towcester Ladbrokescasino.com Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 3m · Good · 10 ran F/10 — 10-5 — Mr Matthew Smith 100/1
16 Oct 05+14d Market Rasen October Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 2m3½f · Good · 16 ran 12/16 30 10-9 80C Mr Matthew Smith 200/1
02 Oct 05+10d Uttoxeter Les Swanwick Electrical 'NH' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 2m5½f · Good · 11 ran PU/11 — 10-12 — Alan O'Keeffe 50/1
22 Sep 05 Fontwell Champagne Joseph Perrier Maiden Chase Class 4 · 2m1½f · Good To Firm · 7 ran PU/7 — 11-7 — Sean Curran 20/1

Quick answers

How many races has Thorny Issue won?
Thorny Issue (GB) has yet to win, from 4 archived starts in 2005.
Who trained Thorny Issue?
Thorny Issue (GB) was trained by M J Gingell on the most recent run on record, at Towcester on 23 October 2005.
Who is Thorny Issue's sire?
Thorny Issue (GB) is by Thethingaboutitis (USA) out of Rose of Macmillion (GB), whose sire is Macmillion.
What is Thorny Issue's sire's record?
Thethingaboutitis (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 3% of 66 runs since Jan 2008 (10 horses), Flat and jumps together.

Record shown from September 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.