Vieux Lion Rouge (FR)
Vieux Lion Rouge won 13 of 41 starts in our archive, including three Grade 3 wins. His biggest success came in the Betfred Becher Handicap Chase at Aintree in Dec 2016. All wins were on turf, with three over 3m on good to soft or softer and five on heavy ground. The gelding, aged 12 at his last run in Dec 2021, finished off an official rating of 145 at Haydock, 9lb below his highest ever mark.
- 13–41Wins / Runs
- 31.7%Strike rate
- 16 (39%)Placed
- +18.04£1 level staken=41 at SP
- 1.93Fair A/E n=41 · 1.62 incl. margin
- 154Highest OR
- 41dBetween runs (median)longest 309 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 89
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 6 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 8 | 127B | 80 | — |
| Good to Soft | 3 | 125B | 82 | — |
| Good | 1 | — | — | — |
| Heavy | 1 | — | — | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 6 Nov 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Over 3m | 9 | 127B | 79 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 4 | 103A | 94.5 | — |
Of 22 runs looked at, 9 have no figure: did not complete (5) · obstacles omitted — the race ran a shortened course (4).
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 13 figures from 22 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9.4% of 329 runs since May 2009 (37 horses).
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 1 | 0 | 0% | −9.4 | — |
| Good to Firm | 4 | 2 | 50% | +40.6 | — |
| Good | 51 | 2 | 3.9% | −5.5 | 1 from 5 |
| Good to Soft | 43 | 5 | 11.6% | +2.2 | 3 from 8 |
| Soft | 83 | 6 | 7.2% | −2.2 | 4 from 20 |
| Heavy | 46 | 7 | 15.2% | +5.8 | 5 from 8 |
| Standard (AW) | 100 | 9 | 9% | −0.4 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −9.4 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 44 | 3 | 6.8% | −2.6 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 63 | 5 | 7.9% | −1.5 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 95 | 4 | 4.2% | −5.2 | 1 from 1 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 53 | 9 | 17% | +7.6 | 3 from 4 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 39 | 4 | 10.3% | +0.9 | 3 from 7 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 12 | 3 | 25% | +15.6 | 3 from 10 |
| Over 3m | 19 | 3 | 15.8% | +6.4 | 3 from 19 |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since May 2009 · as at 6 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
7 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Reflexion (FR) (4 wins).
The wins came over 2m1f–2m6f; the highest grade won is Listed (Reflexion (FR)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Reflexion (FR) | 15 | 4 | 2m1½f–2m2f | Listed |
| Azza (FR) | 11 | 3 | 2m1f–2m4f | Listed |
| Classique (FR) | 29 | 3 | 2m1½f–2m6f | — |
| Quello (FR) | 7 | 1 | 2m2½f | — |
| Debrouillard (FR) | 8 | 0 | — | — |
| Eccetera (FR) | 7 | 0 | — | — |
| Hazy Cloud (FR) | 1 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Soft | 20 | 4 | 20% | +10.25 |
| Heavy | 8 | 5 | 63% | −0.21 |
| Good to Soft | 8 | 3 | 38% | +11.67 |
| Good | 5 | 1 | 20% | −3.67 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 1 | 24 | 3 | 13% | +7.00 |
| Class 2 | 9 | 2 | 22% | +5.50 |
| Class 4 | 4 | 4 | 100% | +2.01 |
| Class 6 | 3 | 3 | 100% | +3.28 |
| Class 3 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.25 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aintree | 12 | 2 | 17% | +10.00 |
| Cheltenham | 7 | 0 | 0% | −7.00 |
| Haydock | 5 | 2 | 40% | +13.00 |
| Chepstow | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
| Ascot | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Wincanton | 2 | 2 | 100% | +0.69 |
| Sandown | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Wetherby | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Market Rasen | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.33 |
| Towcester | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.67 |
| Sedgefield | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.57 |
| Exeter | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.80 |
| Newbury | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.75 |
| Ffos Las | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.73 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Over 3m | 19 | 3 | 16% | +12.00 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 10 | 3 | 30% | +6.17 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 7 | 3 | 43% | −2.30 |
| 1m5f – 2m | 4 | 3 | 75% | +0.42 |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 1 | 1 | 100% | +1.75 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tom Scudamore | 31 | 11 | 35% | +9.54 |
| Conor O'Farrell | 5 | 2 | 40% | +13.50 |
| James Reveley | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Mr R P Quinlan | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Kieron Edgar | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Tom Bellamy | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Richard Johnson | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 16 | 9 | 56% | +6.54 |
| Tongue tie + cheekpieces | 14 | 2 | 14% | +4.50 |
| Cheekpieces | 8 | 2 | 25% | +10.00 |
| Tongue tie + blinkers | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Blinkers | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| 2020 | 3 | 1 | 33% | +10.00 |
| 2019 | 5 | 1 | 20% | +0.50 |
| 2018 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| 2017 | 4 | 1 | 25% | +5.00 |
| 2016 | 4 | 1 | 25% | +5.00 |
| 2015 | 5 | 3 | 60% | +7.00 |
| 2014 | 7 | 3 | 43% | −2.74 |
| 2013 | 3 | 2 | 67% | +1.55 |
| 2012 | 1 | 1 | 100% | +0.73 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chase | 28 | 7 | 25% | +20.50 |
| Hurdle | 9 | 3 | 33% | −4.74 |
| NH Flat | 4 | 3 | 75% | +2.28 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
Quick answers
- How many races has Vieux Lion Rouge won?
- Vieux Lion Rouge (FR) won 13 of 41 archived starts between 2012 and 2021, a strike rate of 31.7%. Placed 16 times in total (39% of starts).
- Who trained Vieux Lion Rouge?
- Vieux Lion Rouge (FR) was trained by David Pipe on the most recent run on record, at Haydock on 30 December 2021.
- Who is Vieux Lion Rouge's sire?
- Vieux Lion Rouge (FR) is by Sabiango (GER) out of Indecise (FR), whose sire is Cyborg.
- What going does Vieux Lion Rouge prefer?
- Vieux Lion Rouge (FR) has the best record on heavy going: 5 wins from 8 starts (62.5%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
- What is Vieux Lion Rouge's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 145, from the run on 30 December 2021. The highest on record is 154.
- What is Vieux Lion Rouge's sire's record?
- Sabiango (GER)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.4% of 329 runs since May 2009 (37 horses), Flat and jumps together.
- Who are Vieux Lion Rouge's siblings?
- Out of Indecise (FR), Vieux Lion Rouge (FR) has 7 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Reflexion (FR) (4). Highest grade won: Listed (Reflexion (FR)). The wins came over 2m1f–2m6f. As at Nov 2026.