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Horse profile

Whenwehadmoney (IRE)

6yo gelding (at last run, Jun 2010) · Last trainer Evan Williams · Last owner J Hutchinson
by Talkin Man (CAN) out of Honest-Lady (IRE) (Hays)
3 runs · 3 courses · from Mar 2010
As at 6 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 20 Jun 2010 — 5,982 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2010 · 3rd of 14
KTB Profile

Whenwehadmoney (IRE) is yet to win from 3 starts, though has placed once. Best effort: 3rd of 14 at Hereford (Jun 2010).

Based on 3 archived runs · updated 6 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 111A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Hereford, 20 Jun 2010

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 3 figures · best 111A · median 95
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
Good to Firm2111A102—
Good to Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 6 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m2111A103—
2m5f – 3m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 3 figures from 3 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Talkin Man (CAN)

Progeny in our archive have won 5.6% of 324 runs since Mar 2008 (44 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm400%−5.6—
Good to Firm4237.1%+1.50 from 2
Good6945.8%+0.2—
Good to Soft3313%−2.60 from 1
Soft8667%+1.4—
Heavy6223.2%−2.4—
Standard (AW)2827.1%+1.5—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f10110%+4.4—
6f – 7f5823.4%−2.2—
1m – 1m1f2214.5%−1.1—
1m2f – 1m4f9222.2%+16.6—
1m5f – 2m12386.5%+0.90 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f7445.4%−0.2—
2m5f – 3m2700%−5.60 from 1
Over 3m100%−5.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Mar 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Honest-Lady (IRE) (Hays)

1 sibling in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Jim Jas (IRE)20——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Firm 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Hereford 1 0 0% −1.00
Wincanton 1 0 0% −1.00
Bangor-on-Dee 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m5f – 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
D P Fahy 1 0 0% −1.00
Paul Moloney 1 0 0% −1.00
Andrew Thornton 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2010 · 3 runs
20 Jun 10+45d Hereford Toteplacepot Conditional Jockeys' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 2m · Good To Firm · 14 ran 3/14 3 10-9 111A D P Fahy 33/1
06 May 10+40d Wincanton Bathwick Tyres Yeovil Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 2m5½f · Good To Firm · 10 ran 6/10 27 10-12 93C Paul Moloney 12/1
27 Mar 10 Bangor-on-Dee Puredarts.co.uk 'national Hunt' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 2m½f · Good To Soft · 8 ran 6/8 3¼ 11-0 95A Andrew Thornton 50/1

Quick answers

How many races has Whenwehadmoney won?
Whenwehadmoney (IRE) has yet to win, from 3 archived starts in 2010. Placed 1 time in total (33.3% of starts).
Who trained Whenwehadmoney?
Whenwehadmoney (IRE) was trained by Evan Williams on the most recent run on record, at Hereford on 20 June 2010.
Who is Whenwehadmoney's sire?
Whenwehadmoney (IRE) is by Talkin Man (CAN) out of Honest-Lady (IRE), whose sire is Hays.
What is Whenwehadmoney's sire's record?
Talkin Man (CAN)'s progeny in our archive have won 5.6% of 324 runs since Mar 2008 (44 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Whenwehadmoney's siblings?
Out of Honest-Lady (IRE), Whenwehadmoney (IRE) has 1 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from March 2010. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.