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You Never Said (IRE)

6yo gelding (at last run, Jun 2010) · Last trainer Charles Egerton · Last owner Ronald Brimacombe
by Dushyantor (USA) out of Bramblehill Mandy (IRE) (Mandalus)
6 runs · 6 courses · from Nov 2008
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 10 Jun 2010 — 5,984 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2010 · 6th of 13 Last raced off OR 108
KTB Profile

You Never Said (IRE) is yet to win from 6 starts, though has placed twice. Best effort: 2nd of 10 at Folkestone (Dec 2008). Last raced off a career-high mark of 108.

Based on 6 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 122A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Huntingdon, 7 Mar 2010 Official rating 108 at the last run, 10 Jun 2010

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 5 figures · best 122A · median 112
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Good2107A99.5—
Good to Soft2122A117—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m3122A112—
2m1f – 2m4f2117A104.5—

Of 6 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 5 figures from 6 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Dushyantor (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 1,917 runs since Jan 2008 (149 horses).

Strongest on good to firm going: 14.2% from 162. Strongest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 13.7% from 139.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm1100%−9.7—
Good to Firm1622314.2%+4.5—
Good5445510.1%+0.40 from 2
Good to Soft290237.9%−1.80 from 3
Soft548549.9%+0.20 from 1
Heavy325268%−1.7—
Standard (AW)37513.5%+3.8—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f200%−9.7—
1m – 1m1f14321.4%+11.7—
1m2f – 1m4f2613.8%−5.9—
1m5f – 2m430419.5%−0.20 from 4
2m1f – 2m4f6937210.4%+0.70 from 2
2m5f – 3m613508.2%−1.5—
Over 3m1391913.7%+4—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Bramblehill Mandy (IRE) (Mandalus)

No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Uttoxeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Bangor-on-Dee 1 0 0% −1.00
Huntingdon 1 0 0% −1.00
Catterick 1 0 0% −1.00
Folkestone 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 4 0 0% −4.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
A P McCoy 3 0 0% −3.00
Jimmy McCarthy 1 0 0% −1.00
Paddy Brennan 1 0 0% −1.00
Tom Scudamore 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
Tongue tie 3 0 0% −3.00
None 3 0 0% −3.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2010 3 0 0% −3.00
2008 3 0 0% −3.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 5 0 0% −5.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2010 · 3 runs
10 Jun 10+75d Uttoxeter Jenkinsons Caterers First Choice For Weddings Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 20f · Good · 13 ran 6/13 21 11-0 10892C A P McCoy 9/2
27 Mar 10+20d Bangor-on-Dee Puredarts.co.uk 'national Hunt' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 16.5f · Good To Soft · 8 ran 4/8 3¾ 11-0 108112A Jimmy McCarthy 7/1
07 Mar 10+434d Huntingdon Racing Uk Horseracing In Your Home Maiden Hurdle Class 4 · 16f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 3/13 1¾ 11-1 —122A A P McCoy 4/1
2008 · 3 runs
28 Dec 08+12d Catterick Blue Square Mobile Maiden Hurdle (Div 1) Class 4 · 15.5f · Good To Soft · 16 ran F/16 — 11-6 —— Paddy Brennan 3/1F
16 Dec 08+24d Folkestone Jingle Bells Novices' Hurdle (Div 1) Class 4 · 17.5f · Soft · 10 ran 2/10 9 11-4 —117A A P McCoy 7/2
22 Nov 08 Ascot Allied Irish Bank (GB) Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 4 · 15.5f · Good · 14 ran 6/14 2¼ 11-0 —107A Tom Scudamore 8/1

Quick answers

How many races has You Never Said won?
You Never Said (IRE) has yet to win, from 6 archived starts between 2008 and 2010. Placed 2 times in total (33.3% of starts).
Who trained You Never Said?
You Never Said (IRE) was trained by Charles Egerton on the most recent run on record, at Uttoxeter on 10 June 2010.
Who is You Never Said's sire?
You Never Said (IRE) is by Dushyantor (USA) out of Bramblehill Mandy (IRE), whose sire is Mandalus.
What is You Never Said's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 108, from the run on 10 June 2010. That is also the highest on record.
What is You Never Said's sire's record?
Dushyantor (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 1,917 runs since Jan 2008 (149 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on good to firm going: 14.2% from 162. Strongest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 13.7% from 139.

Record shown from November 2008. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.