You Win I Lose (IRE)
You Win I Lose (IRE) is yet to win from 5 starts.
- 0–5Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 0 (0%)Placed
- −5.00£1 level staken=5 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=5 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 60Highest OR
- 99dBetween runs (median)longest 224 d
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 8,429 runs since Apr 2008 (636 horses).
Weakest on soft going: 6.4% from 1,123.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 46 | 13 | 28.3% | +18.6 | — |
| Good to Firm | 905 | 101 | 11.2% | +1.5 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 1,463 | 127 | 8.7% | −1 | 0 from 1 |
| Good to Soft | 899 | 72 | 8% | −1.7 | — |
| Soft | 1,123 | 72 | 6.4% | −3.3 | 0 from 1 |
| Heavy | 329 | 23 | 7% | −2.7 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 3,664 | 413 | 11.3% | +1.6 | 0 from 1 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 998 | 104 | 10.4% | +0.7 | 0 from 1 |
| 6f – 7f | 4,122 | 438 | 10.6% | +0.9 | 0 from 4 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 2,274 | 204 | 9% | −0.7 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 692 | 52 | 7.5% | −2.2 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 211 | 15 | 7.1% | −2.6 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 97 | 6 | 6.2% | −3.5 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 33 | 2 | 6.1% | −3.6 | — |
| Over 3m | 2 | 0 | 0% | −9.7 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Apr 2008 · as at 6 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
No other produce in our archive. It holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from 2005, so siblings racing elsewhere won’t appear here.
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Standard (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Good | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tipperary | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Dundalk (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Listowel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Cork | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6f – 7f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Under 6f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Seamie Heffernan | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Pierce Gallagher | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Cathal Landers | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| 2011 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| 2010 | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2012 · 1 run | |||||||||
| 24 Feb 12+203d | Dundalk (AW) | Ladbrokes.com Mobile App Handicap (47-65) | 14/14 | 3½ | 9-1 | 57 | 36C | Pierce Gallagher | 33/1 |
| 2011 · 2 runs | |||||||||
| 05 Aug 11+99d | Tipperary | Derrinstown Stud Apprentice Handicap (47-60) (Div 1) | 15/15 | 19 | 9-7 | 60 | 48C | Cathal Landers | 25/1 |
| 28 Apr 11+224d | Tipperary | Racing At Tipperary Maiden | 6/12 | 6 | 10-1 | — | 52C | Seamie Heffernan | 66/1 |
| 2010 · 2 runs | |||||||||
| 16 Sep 10+25d | Listowel | Tote Jackpot Guarantee Median Auction Maiden | 8/13 | 1 | 9-5 | — | 56A | Seamie Heffernan | 16/1 |
| 22 Aug 10 | Cork | Gortnagross Maiden | 7/15 | 1¾ | 9-5 | — | 65A | Seamie Heffernan | 50/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has You Win I Lose won?
- You Win I Lose (IRE) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts between 2010 and 2012.
- Who trained You Win I Lose?
- You Win I Lose (IRE) was trained by Patrick Michael Verling on the most recent run on record, at Dundalk (AW) on 24 February 2012.
- Who is You Win I Lose's sire?
- You Win I Lose (IRE) is by Elusive City (USA) out of Kapi Bright (FR), whose sire is Dernier Empereur.
- What is You Win I Lose's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 57, from the run on 24 February 2012. The highest on record is 60.
- What is You Win I Lose's sire's record?
- Elusive City (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 9.7% of 8,429 runs since Apr 2008 (636 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on soft going: 6.4% from 1,123.