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Horse profile

Beyond Argument (IRE)

4yo gelding (at last run, Jun 2016) · Last trainer David Simcock · Last owner Mrs Fitri Hay
by Galileo (IRE) out of Thought Is Free (GB) (Cadeaux Genereux)
4 runs · 2 courses · from Jul 2015
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 1 Jun 2016 — 3,793 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2016 · 8th of 8 First-time headgear LTO Last raced off OR 55
KTB Profile

Beyond Argument (IRE) is yet to win from 4 starts.

Based on 4 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 54C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Chelmsford City (AW), 24 Sep 2015 Official rating 55 at the last run, 1 Jun 2016

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 4 figures · best 54C · median 52
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)354C53—
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f354C51—
1m5f – 2m1———

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 4 figures from 4 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Galileo (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 14.5% of 18,191 runs since Jan 2008 (1,776 horses).

Strongest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 18.2% from 1,383. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 9.3% from 889.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm721419.4%+4.9—
Good to Firm2,76544216%+1.5—
Good5,30779014.9%+0.40 from 1
Good to Soft2,34232814%−0.5—
Soft3,84457515%+0.5—
Heavy1,37819013.8%−0.7—
Standard (AW)2,48230412.2%−2.30 from 3
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1417.1%−7.4—
6f – 7f1,38325218.2%+3.7—
1m – 1m1f3,02151717.1%+2.6—
1m2f – 1m4f6,8481,05115.3%+0.80 from 3
1m5f – 2m4,23755413.1%−1.40 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f1,64917010.3%−4.2—
2m5f – 3m889839.3%−5.2—
Over 3m1501610.7%−3.8—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 20 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Thought Is Free (GB) (Cadeaux Genereux)

7 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Merry Me (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 7f–1m; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Merry Me (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Merry Me (IRE)1721mClass 4
Wild Hero (IRE)917fClass 5
Westward Ho (IRE)811mClass 5
Eastern (IRE)30——
Elusive Thought (IRE)70——
Missed Illusion (IRE)80——
Loose One (IRE)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 6 1 0 0% −1.00
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Chelmsford City (AW) 3 0 0% −3.00
Ffos Las 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Jamie Spencer 2 0 0% −2.00
Tom Eaves 1 0 0% −1.00
Oisin Murphy 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 3 0 0% −3.00
Cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2016 1 0 0% −1.00
2015 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
01 Jun 16+251d Chelmsford City (AW) Ccr Ladies Day 16th June Handicap Class 6 · 14f · Standard · 8 ran 8/8 23 9-2 5553C Jamie Spencer 6/1
24 Sep 15+37d Chelmsford City (AW) Win A Football Fortune With Scoop6Soccer Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 10f · Standard · 15 ran 13/15 6 9-5 —54C Tom Eaves 33/1
18 Aug 15+19d Chelmsford City (AW) Play scoop6soccer In Betfred Shops Maiden Stakes Class 4 · 10f · Standard · 10 ran 9/10 14 9-5 —51C Jamie Spencer 16/1
30 Jul 15 Ffos Las Bluebell Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 12f · Good · 7 ran 6/7 13 9-2 —43C Oisin Murphy 6/1

Quick answers

How many races has Beyond Argument (IRE) won?
Beyond Argument (IRE) has yet to win, from 4 archived starts between 2015 and 2016.
Who trained Beyond Argument (IRE)?
Beyond Argument (IRE) was trained by David Simcock on the most recent run on record, at Chelmsford City (AW) on 1 June 2016.
Who is Beyond Argument (IRE)'s sire?
Beyond Argument (IRE) is by Galileo (IRE) out of Thought Is Free (GB), whose sire is Cadeaux Genereux.
What is Beyond Argument (IRE)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 55, from the run on 1 June 2016. That is also the highest on record.
What is Beyond Argument (IRE)'s sire's record?
Galileo (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 14.5% of 18,191 runs since Jan 2008 (1,776 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest over 6f – 7f (all codes): 18.2% from 1,383. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 9.3% from 889.
Who are Beyond Argument (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Thought Is Free (GB), Beyond Argument (IRE) has 7 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Merry Me (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Merry Me (IRE)). The wins came over 7f–1m. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from July 2015. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.