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Horse profile

Commander Cave (USA)

3yo gelding (at last run, Nov 2008) · Last trainer Richard Hannon Snr · Last owner Sir David Seale
by Tale Of The Cat (USA) out of Royal Shyness (GB) (Royal Academy)
12 runs · 7 courses · from Oct 2007
As at 21 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 29 Nov 2008 — 6,534 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Nov 2008 · 2nd of 14 4 wins · Kempton (AW), Sandown & Lingfield (AW) Last raced off OR 103
KTB Profile

Commander Cave (USA) is 4 from 12. Hasn't won since Nov 2008. Last raced off a career-high mark of 103.

Based on 12 archived runs · updated 21 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR at career high
Official rating103At career-high mark
103 80–103

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 104A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Kempton (AW), 29 Nov 2008 Official rating 103 at the last run, 29 Nov 2008

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Flat 12 figures · best 104A · median 85.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)8104A86.5—
Good to Firm298A86.5—
Soft1———
Good to Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 21 Oct 2025
1m – 1m1f7104A98—
6f – 7f588A67—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 12 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Tale Of The Cat (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 10.5% of 774 runs since Jan 2008 (55 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm5120%+9.5—
Good to Firm153149.2%−1.30 from 2
Good1581912%+1.5—
Good to Soft65710.8%+0.31 from 1
Soft871112.6%+2.10 from 1
Heavy4736.4%−4.1—
Standard (AW)2592610%−0.53 from 8
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f551018.2%+7.7—
6f – 7f3343510.5%01 from 5
1m – 1m1f1962311.7%+1.23 from 7
1m2f – 1m4f9488.5%−2—
1m5f – 2m6234.8%−5.7—
2m1f – 2m4f2328.7%−1.8—
2m5f – 3m900%−10.5—
Over 3m100%−10.5—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 20 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Royal Shyness (GB) (Royal Academy)

7 siblings in the archive, 4 winners — best of them Shy Glance (USA) (6 wins).

The wins came over 5f–1m2f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Jillnextdoor (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Shy Glance (USA)5467f–1m2fClass 5
Van Rooney (USA)821m½f—
Jillnextdoor (IRE)3215fClass 4
Kaiulani (IRE)415fClass 5
Dijon (IRE)20——
Question (USA)30——
Mufasa Rules (USA)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 8 3 38% +8.50
Good to Firm 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Good to Soft 1 1 100% +8.50

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 2 6 2 33% +7.00
Class 5 3 1 33% +1.50
Class 1 1 0 0% −1.00
Class 3 1 0 0% −1.00
Class 4 1 1 100% +7.50

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Lingfield (AW) 4 1 25% +0.50
Kempton (AW) 3 2 67% +9.00
Chelmsford (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00
Goodwood 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00
Haydock 1 0 0% −1.00
Sandown 1 1 100% +8.50

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m – 1m1f 7 3 43% +14.50
6f – 7f 5 1 20% −0.50

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Richard Hughes 4 2 50% +14.00
Ryan Moore 3 1 33% +0.50
Eddie Ahern 2 0 0% −2.00
Pat Dobbs 2 0 0% −2.00
Jamie Spencer 1 1 100% +3.50

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2008 10 4 40% +16.00
2007 2 0 0% −2.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
29 Nov 08+15d Kempton (AW) Betdaq.co.uk Hyde Stakes (Listed) Class 1 · 8f · Standard · 14 ran 2/14 hd 9-0 103104A Eddie Ahern 11/2
14 Nov 08+15d Kempton (AW) Betdaq.co.uk Handicap Class 2 · 8f · Standard · 10 ran 1/10 9-5 9598A Ryan Moore 5/2
30 Oct 08+33d Lingfield (AW) Play Casino At ladbrokes.com Handicap Class 3 · 7f · Standard · 8 ran 2/8 ½ 9-6 9488A Ryan Moore 9/2
27 Sep 08+34d Chelmsford (AW) New Holland Providence Handicap Class 2 · 8f · Standard · 10 ran 7/10 shd 9-4 9684A Ryan Moore 15/2
24 Aug 08+66d Goodwood TurfTV.co.uk Handicap Class 2 · 7f · Soft · 11 ran 10/11 ½ 9-2 9867A Richard Hughes 5/1
19 Jun 08+26d Ascot Britannia Stakes Heritage Handicap (Str) Class 2 · 8f · Good To Firm · 28 ran 16/28 nk 9-1 9875A Richard Hughes 12/1
24 May 08+29d Haydock Betfred Silver Bowl Heritage Handicap Class 2 · 8f · Good To Firm · 13 ran 2/13 hd 9-1 9398A Eddie Ahern 12/1
25 Apr 08+20d Sandown bet365.com Esher Cup Handicap Class 2 · 8f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 1/9 8-8 8886A Richard Hughes 17/2
05 Apr 08+31d Kempton (AW) Panoramic Bar & Restaurant Loyalty Scheme Handicap Class 4 · 8f · Standard · 9 ran 1/9 9-7 8098A Richard Hughes 15/2
05 Mar 08+133d Lingfield (AW) Spring To It At Pontin's Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 11 ran 1/11 9-3 8085A Jamie Spencer 7/2
24 Oct 07+12d Lingfield (AW) Racing Ahead Weekend At All Newsagents Maiden Stakes Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 14 ran 9/14 ½ 9-0 —65C Pat Dobbs 66/1
12 Oct 07 Lingfield (AW) Norman Hill Memorial Maiden Stakes (Div 2) Class 5 · 7f · Standard · 9 ran 5/9 shd 9-3 —63C Pat Dobbs 20/1

Quick answers

How many races has Commander Cave (USA) won?
Commander Cave (USA) won 4 of 12 archived starts between 2007 and 2008, a strike rate of 33.3%. Placed 7 times in total (58.3% of starts).
Who trained Commander Cave (USA)?
Commander Cave (USA) was trained by Richard Hannon Snr on the most recent run on record, at Kempton (AW) on 29 November 2008.
Who is Commander Cave (USA)'s sire?
Commander Cave (USA) is by Tale Of The Cat (USA) out of Royal Shyness (GB), whose sire is Royal Academy.
What going does Commander Cave (USA) prefer?
Commander Cave (USA) has the best record on standard (aw) going: 3 wins from 8 starts (37.5%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Commander Cave (USA)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 103, from the run on 29 November 2008. That is also the highest on record.
What is Commander Cave (USA)'s sire's record?
Tale Of The Cat (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.5% of 774 runs since Jan 2008 (55 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Commander Cave (USA)'s siblings?
Out of Royal Shyness (GB), Commander Cave (USA) has 7 other produce in our archive, 4 of them winners. Most wins: Shy Glance (USA) (6). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Jillnextdoor (IRE)). The wins came over 5f–1m2f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from October 2007. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.