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Crime Dont Pay (IRE)

8yo gelding (at last run, Jun 2012) · Last trainer Paul Webber · Last owner R W Barnett
by Saddlers' Hall (IRE) out of Maddy's Supreme (IRE) (Supreme Leader)
9 runs · 7 courses · from Oct 2008
As at 27 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 24 Jun 2012 — 5,238 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jun 2012 · 2nd of 10 Last raced off OR 85
KTB Profile

Crime Dont Pay (IRE) is yet to win from 9 starts, though has placed once. Best effort: 2nd of 10 at Hereford (Jun 2012). Last raced off 85, 12lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 9 archived runs · updated 27 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 12lb off peak
Official rating85↓ 12lb off peak
85 85–97

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 122A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Hereford, 24 Jun 2012 Official rating 85 at the last run, 24 Jun 2012

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 8 figures · best 122A · median 97
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
Good4122A108.5—
Good to Soft3106A96—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 27 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m4122A102—
1m5f – 2m3119A96—
2m1f – 2m4f1———

Of 9 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 8 figures from 9 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Saddlers' Hall (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 7.7% of 4,861 runs since Jan 2008 (460 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm59610.2%+2.5—
Good to Firm482408.3%+0.6—
Good1,3511148.4%+0.70 from 4
Good to Soft693547.8%+0.10 from 3
Soft1,317916.9%−0.80 from 2
Heavy940707.4%−0.3—
Standard (AW)1915.3%−2.4—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f100%−7.7—
1m – 1m1f200%−7.7—
1m2f – 1m4f2414.2%−3.5—
1m5f – 2m1,059777.3%−0.40 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f1,7231136.6%−1.10 from 2
2m5f – 3m1,5971469.1%+1.40 from 4
Over 3m455398.6%+0.9—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Maddy's Supreme (IRE) (Supreme Leader)

4 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Imperial Alcazar (IRE) (5 wins).

The wins came over 2m2½f–3m1f; the highest grade won is Grade 2 (Jessber's Dream (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Imperial Alcazar (IRE)1452m4f–3m1fListed
Jessber's Dream (IRE)1332m2½f–2m4fGrade 2
Fast Getaway (IRE)10——
Belmont Jewel (IRE)110——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 4 0 0% −4.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 4 0 0% −4.00
Class 4 4 0 0% −4.00
Class 3 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Hereford 2 0 0% −2.00
Uttoxeter 2 0 0% −2.00
Worcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Fakenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Ascot 1 0 0% −1.00
Haydock 1 0 0% −1.00
Cheltenham 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 4 0 0% −4.00
1m5f – 2m 3 0 0% −3.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Sam Jones 3 0 0% −3.00
Denis O'Regan 2 0 0% −2.00
Mark Bradburne 2 0 0% −2.00
Andrew Tinkler 1 0 0% −1.00
Andrew Thornton 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2012 3 0 0% −3.00
2011 2 0 0% −2.00
2009 1 0 0% −1.00
2008 3 0 0% −3.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 4 0 0% −4.00
Hurdle 4 0 0% −4.00
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2012 · 3 runs
24 Jun 12+17d Hereford Rex Shutler Birthday Handicap Chase Class 5 · 21f · Good · 10 ran 2/10 nk 11-2 85122A Sam Jones 14/1
07 Jun 12+15d Uttoxeter Sessions Bars Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 24f · Soft · 5 ran 3/5 35 10-5 8972C Sam Jones 17/2
23 May 12+164d Worcester Ladbrokes Beginners' Chase Class 4 · 23f · Good · 10 ran 6/10 44 11-0 9498C Sam Jones 66/1
2011 · 2 runs
11 Dec 11+17d Hereford Totepool Handicap Chase Class 5 · 19f · Soft · 14 ran F/14 — 11-9 97— Denis O'Regan 16/1
24 Nov 11+724d Uttoxeter Banner Marquees Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Good To Soft · 12 ran 7/12 shd 11-9 9796A Denis O'Regan 33/1
2009 · 1 run
30 Nov 09+346d Fakenham 1824 Maiden Hurdle Class 5 · 20f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 5/9 30 11-0 —84C Andrew Tinkler 7/1
2008 · 3 runs
19 Dec 08+43d Ascot Wessex Youth Trust 'national Hunt' Maiden Hurdle Class 3 · 21.5f · Good To Soft · 16 ran 7/16 3 11-0 —106A Mark Bradburne 66/1
06 Nov 08+19d Haydock Racinguk.tv 'Fixed Brush' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 15.5f · Good · 16 ran 4/16 ¾ 10-12 —119A Mark Bradburne 66/1
18 Oct 08 Cheltenham Betfair Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 4 · 16.5f · Good · 17 ran 17/17 16 11-0 —92C Andrew Thornton 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Crime Dont Pay won?
Crime Dont Pay (IRE) has yet to win, from 9 archived starts between 2008 and 2012. Placed 1 time in total (11.1% of starts).
Who trained Crime Dont Pay?
Crime Dont Pay (IRE) was trained by Paul Webber on the most recent run on record, at Hereford on 24 June 2012.
Who is Crime Dont Pay's sire?
Crime Dont Pay (IRE) is by Saddlers' Hall (IRE) out of Maddy's Supreme (IRE), whose sire is Supreme Leader.
What is Crime Dont Pay's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 85, from the run on 24 June 2012. The highest on record is 97.
What is Crime Dont Pay's sire's record?
Saddlers' Hall (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 7.7% of 4,861 runs since Jan 2008 (460 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Crime Dont Pay's siblings?
Out of Maddy's Supreme (IRE), Crime Dont Pay (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Imperial Alcazar (IRE) (5). Highest grade won: Grade 2 (Jessber's Dream (IRE)). The wins came over 2m2½f–3m1f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from October 2008. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.