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Horse profile

Cyder With Rosie (GB)

4yo gelding (at last run, Apr 2009) · Last trainer Dominic Ffrench Davis · Last owner G H Black
by Dancing Spree (USA) out of Stay With Me Baby (GB) (Nicholas Bill)
2 runs · 2 courses · from Feb 2009
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 7 Apr 2009 — 6,420 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Apr 2009 · 11th of 12
KTB Profile

Lightly raced, with 2 archived starts between Feb 2009 and Apr 2009, the last of them as a 4yo gelding. Finished 11 of 12 at Fontwell last time. By Dancing Spree (USA), whose progeny in our archive have won 5.7% of 227 runs since Jan 2008.

Based on 2 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 82C the best of the last 2 rated runs · Kempton, 21 Feb 2009

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 82C · median 77.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good to Firm1———
Good to Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m282C77.5—

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 2 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Dancing Spree (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 5.7% of 227 runs since Jan 2008 (19 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm400%−5.7—
Good to Firm5036%+0.30 from 1
Good5823.4%−2.3—
Good to Soft2000%−5.70 from 1
Soft2613.8%−1.9—
Heavy900%−5.7—
Standard (AW)60711.7%+6—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f38410.5%+4.8—
6f – 7f1715.9%+0.2—
1m – 1m1f8112.5%+6.8—
1m2f – 1m4f3937.7%+2—
1m5f – 2m5235.8%+0.10 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f5012%−3.7—
2m5f – 3m2100%−5.7—
Over 3m200%−5.7—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Stay With Me Baby (GB) (Nicholas Bill)

3 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Lilac Wine (GB)260——
Milton Hill (GB)60——
Loyola (GB)10——

Too few runs for meaningful splits. The full record is below.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2009 · 2 runs
07 Apr 09+45d Fontwell John Smith's Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 1m5½f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 11/12 11 10-11 73C Owyn Nelmes 33/1
21 Feb 09 Kempton Shangri-la Barr Al Jissah Resort & Spa Standard Open NH Flat Race Class 4 · 2m · Good To Soft · 8 ran 6/8 30 10-7 82C Robert Thornton 20/1

Quick answers

How many races has Cyder With Rosie won?
Cyder With Rosie (GB) has yet to win, from 2 archived starts in 2009.
Who trained Cyder With Rosie?
Cyder With Rosie (GB) was trained by Dominic Ffrench Davis on the most recent run on record, at Fontwell on 7 April 2009.
Who is Cyder With Rosie's sire?
Cyder With Rosie (GB) is by Dancing Spree (USA) out of Stay With Me Baby (GB), whose sire is Nicholas Bill.
What is Cyder With Rosie's sire's record?
Dancing Spree (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 5.7% of 227 runs since Jan 2008 (19 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Cyder With Rosie's siblings?
Out of Stay With Me Baby (GB), Cyder With Rosie (GB) has 3 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from February 2009. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.