Deep Determination (IRE)
Deep Determination (IRE) is yet to win from 7 starts, though has placed twice. Best effort: 2nd of 14 at Listowel (Sep 2011).
- 0–7Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 2 (28.6%)Placed
- −7.00£1 level staken=7 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=7 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 136dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 10.3% of 8,730 runs since Jan 2008 (682 horses).
Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 6.2% from 419.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 48 | 7 | 14.6% | +4.3 | — |
| Good to Firm | 1,254 | 135 | 10.8% | +0.5 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 2,216 | 224 | 10.1% | −0.2 | 0 from 2 |
| Good to Soft | 1,076 | 123 | 11.4% | +1.1 | 0 from 1 |
| Soft | 1,678 | 154 | 9.2% | −1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Heavy | 630 | 70 | 11.1% | +0.8 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 1,828 | 188 | 10.3% | 0 | — |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 38 | 10 | 26.3% | +16 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 726 | 72 | 9.9% | −0.4 | — |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,440 | 154 | 10.7% | +0.4 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 2,865 | 323 | 11.3% | +1 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 2,226 | 221 | 9.9% | −0.4 | 0 from 6 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 956 | 88 | 9.2% | −1.1 | 0 from 1 |
| 2m5f – 3m | 419 | 26 | 6.2% | −4.1 | — |
| Over 3m | 60 | 7 | 11.7% | +1.4 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
6 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Alagon (IRE) (3 wins).
The wins came over 1m4f–2m7f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Alagon (IRE)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alagon (IRE) | 20 | 3 | 1m6f–2m7f | Class 3 |
| Pax Romana (IRE) | 7 | 1 | 1m4f | Class 5 |
| Danny's Best (IRE) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
| Trawlerman (IRE) | 6 | 0 | — | — |
| Bint Al Hammour (IRE) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
| Redwood Forest (IRE) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Soft | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good to Soft | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kilbeggan | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Tipperary | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Roscommon | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Listowel | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Gowran Park | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1m5f – 2m | 6 | 0 | 0% | −6.00 |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mr P Roche | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| Alan Crowe | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jody McGarvey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| C J Bailey | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| None | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Tongue tie + cheekpieces | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Cheekpieces | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Season | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013 | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
| 2011 | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Type | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| NH Flat | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| Hurdle | 3 | 0 | 0% | −3.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2013 · 3 runs | ||||||||
| 09 Jul 13+37d | Roscommon | Martinstown Opportunity Maiden Hurdle | 11/18 | 1½ | 11-0 | 86C | Jody McGarvey | 12/1 |
| 02 Jun 13+16d | Kilbeggan | Follow Kilbeggan Races On Facebook Maiden Hurdle | 7/14 | 2 | 11-4 | 91A | Alan Crowe | 25/1 |
| 17 May 13+591d | Kilbeggan | www.kilbegganraces.ie Flat Race | 9/10 | 8 | 11-11 | 79C | Mr P Roche | 8/1 |
| 2011 · 4 runs | ||||||||
| 04 Oct 11+22d | Tipperary | Visit Tipperary Maiden Hurdle (Div 2) | 16/18 | 9 | 11-3 | 85C | Alan Crowe | 9/4F |
| 12 Sep 11+102d | Listowel | Bank Of Ireland Flat Race | 2/14 | 13 | 11-4 | 117A | Mr P Roche | 7/2 |
| 02 Jun 11+46d | Tipperary | Social Clubs Flat Race | 2/14 | hd | 10-11 | 120A | Mr P Roche | 7/2 |
| 17 Apr 11 | Gowran Park | Inistioge (Pro/Am) Flat Race (Div 2) | 11/17 | ¾ | 11-0 | 89A | C J Bailey | 20/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Deep Determination won?
- Deep Determination (IRE) has yet to win, from 7 archived starts between 2011 and 2013. Placed 2 times in total (28.6% of starts).
- Who trained Deep Determination?
- Deep Determination (IRE) was trained by C Roche on the most recent run on record, at Roscommon on 9 July 2013.
- Who is Deep Determination's sire?
- Deep Determination (IRE) is by High Chaparral (IRE) out of Forest Lair (GB), whose sire is Habitat.
- What is Deep Determination's sire's record?
- High Chaparral (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.3% of 8,730 runs since Jan 2008 (682 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m5f – 3m (all codes): 6.2% from 419.
- Who are Deep Determination's siblings?
- Out of Forest Lair (GB), Deep Determination (IRE) has 6 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Alagon (IRE) (3). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Alagon (IRE)). The wins came over 1m4f–2m7f. As at Oct 2026.