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Horse profile

Hard To Tell (IRE)

7yo gelding (at last run, Apr 2013) · Last trainer Bill Turner · Last owner Paul Thorman
by Presenting (GB) out of Superior Dawn (IRE) (Mandalus)
5 runs · 5 courses · from Oct 2010
As at 4 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 29 Apr 2013 — 4,937 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Apr 2013
KTB Profile

Hard To Tell (IRE) is yet to win from 5 starts.

Based on 5 archived runs · updated 4 Nov 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 78C the best of the last 2 rated runs · Ludlow, 6 Oct 2010

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 2 figures · best 78C · median 75
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
Good to Firm1———
Good1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 4 Nov 2025
2m1f – 2m4f1———
1m5f – 2m1———

Of 5 runs looked at, 3 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (3).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 2 figures from 5 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Presenting (GB)

Progeny in our archive have won 11% of 20,052 runs since Jan 2008 (1,686 horses).

Strongest on standard (aw) going: 24.3% from 136.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm621321%+10—
Good to Firm1,24017113.8%+2.80 from 1
Good7,02484012%+10 from 3
Good to Soft3,5033219.2%−1.8—
Soft5,32754510.2%−0.8—
Heavy2,7602749.9%−1.10 from 1
Standard (AW)1363324.3%+13.3—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
6f – 7f500%−11—
1m – 1m1f400%−11—
1m2f – 1m4f6269.7%−1.3—
1m5f – 2m4,72751710.9%−0.10 from 2
2m1f – 2m4f6,69772210.8%−0.20 from 2
2m5f – 3m6,53974211.3%+0.3—
Over 3m2,01821010.4%−0.60 from 1

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 4 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Superior Dawn (IRE) (Mandalus)

4 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Standintheband (IRE) (2 wins).

The wins came over 2m1f–2m4f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Standintheband (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Standintheband (IRE)1322m1f–2m4fClass 4
Early Bonnet (IRE)50——
She's The Boss (IRE)10——
Drip Tray (IRE)20——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 3 0 0% −3.00
Heavy 1 0 0% −1.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 3 0 0% −3.00
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00
Class 6 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Towcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Leicester 1 0 0% −1.00
Folkestone 1 0 0% −1.00
Plumpton 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 2 0 0% −2.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00
Over 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Andrew Thornton 3 0 0% −3.00
Tom O'Connor 2 0 0% −2.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 4 0 0% −4.00
Hood 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2013 1 0 0% −1.00
2012 2 0 0% −2.00
2010 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 2 0 0% −2.00
NH Flat 2 0 0% −2.00
Hurdle 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt KTB Jockey SP
2013 · 1 run
29 Apr 13+122d Towcester Haygain Hay Steamers Clean Healthy Forage Maiden Chase Class 5 · 2m½f · Good · 12 ran PU/12 — 11-0 — Andrew Thornton 100/1
2012 · 2 runs
28 Dec 12+10d Leicester Hoby Selling Hurdle Class 5 · 2m4½f · Heavy · 5 ran PU/5 — 10-12 — Andrew Thornton 13/2
18 Dec 12+792d Folkestone BetVictor Non Runner Free Bet Cheltenham 2013 Beginners' Chase Class 4 · 3m1f · Good · 11 ran PU/11 — 11-1 — Andrew Thornton 100/1
2010 · 2 runs
18 Oct 10+12d Plumpton Andy Stewart Charitable Foundation Supports Moorcroft Maiden Open NH Flat Race Class 6 · 2m1½f · Good To Firm · 7 ran 5/7 24 10-9 72C Tom O'Connor 66/1
06 Oct 10 Ludlow ludlowracecourse.co.uk Intermediate Open NH Flat Race Class 5 · 2m · Good · 12 ran 10/12 1 10-11 78C Tom O'Connor 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Hard To Tell won?
Hard To Tell (IRE) has yet to win, from 5 archived starts between 2010 and 2013.
Who trained Hard To Tell?
Hard To Tell (IRE) was trained by Bill Turner on the most recent run on record, at Towcester on 29 April 2013.
Who is Hard To Tell's sire?
Hard To Tell (IRE) is by Presenting (GB) out of Superior Dawn (IRE), whose sire is Mandalus.
What is Hard To Tell's sire's record?
Presenting (GB)'s progeny in our archive have won 11% of 20,052 runs since Jan 2008 (1,686 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest on standard (aw) going: 24.3% from 136.
Who are Hard To Tell's siblings?
Out of Superior Dawn (IRE), Hard To Tell (IRE) has 4 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Standintheband (IRE) (2). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Standintheband (IRE)). The wins came over 2m1f–2m4f. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from October 2010. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.