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Horse profile

Illogical Hope (IRE)

7yo gelding (at last run, Oct 2009) · Last trainer Charlie Longsdon · Last owner The League Of Gentlemen
by Fourstars Allstar (USA) out of Queen Street (IRE) (King's Ride)
12 runs · 9 courses · from Nov 2007
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 11 Oct 2009 — 6,225 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Oct 2009 · 1st of 6 Won last time out 2 wins · Ffos Las & Hereford Last raced off OR 93
KTB Profile

Illogical Hope (IRE) is 2 from 12. Won last time out at Ffos Las (Class 5). Both wins came on good or faster ground (0 from 9 on softer).

Based on 12 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Wins on good or faster
Official rating93↓ 6lb off peak
93 85–99

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 109C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Ffos Las, 11 Oct 2009 Official rating 93 at the last run, 11 Oct 2009

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 11 figures · best 109C · median 88
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Soft7101C87—
Good2109C105.5—
Good to Firm1———
Good to Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
1m5f – 2m5101C88—
Over 3m2109C105.5—
2m1f – 2m4f287C84—
2m5f – 3m297C90.5—

Of 12 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 11 figures from 12 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Fourstars Allstar (USA)

Progeny in our archive have won 7.1% of 940 runs since Jan 2008 (120 horses).

Strongest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 10.6% from 113.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm1300%−7.1—
Good to Firm140139.3%+2.20 from 1
Good290175.9%−1.22 from 2
Good to Soft123118.9%+1.80 from 2
Soft235156.4%−0.70 from 7
Heavy129118.5%+1.4—
Standard (AW)1000%−7.1—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m – 1m1f200%−7.1—
1m2f – 1m4f700%−7.1—
1m5f – 2m195168.2%+1.10 from 5
2m1f – 2m4f350205.7%−1.40 from 3
2m5f – 3m273197%−0.10 from 2
Over 3m1131210.6%+3.52 from 2

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 27 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Queen Street (IRE) (King's Ride)

2 siblings in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Warmaster (IRE)40——
Mood Swing (IRE)10——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 7 0 0% −7.00
Good 2 2 100% +42.75
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 8 1 13% +33.00
Class 5 3 1 33% +0.75
Class 6 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Hereford 3 1 33% +38.00
Bangor-on-Dee 2 0 0% −2.00
Ffos Las 1 1 100% +2.75
Market Rasen 1 0 0% −1.00
Kempton 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00
Newbury 1 0 0% −1.00
Towcester 1 0 0% −1.00
Haydock 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 5 0 0% −5.00
2m1f – 2m4f 3 0 0% −3.00
Over 3m 2 2 100% +42.75
2m5f – 3m 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Tom Siddall 4 0 0% −4.00
Sean Quinlan 3 2 67% +41.75
Warren Marston 2 0 0% −2.00
Joe Tizzard 1 0 0% −1.00
Gerard Tumelty 1 0 0% −1.00
Tony Evans 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2009 6 2 33% +38.75
2008 4 0 0% −4.00
2007 2 0 0% −2.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 5 2 40% +39.75
Hurdle 4 0 0% −4.00
NH Flat 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2009 · 6 runs
11 Oct 09+186d Ffos Las Paul Berkley-Smith Steam Event Management Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase Class 5 · 25.5f · Good · 6 ran 1/6 11-11 93109C Sean Quinlan 11/4
08 Apr 09+13d Hereford freebets.co.uk Online Gambling Handicap Chase Class 4 · 25f · Good · 11 ran 1/11 9-12 85102A Sean Quinlan 40/1
26 Mar 09+18d Hereford Bet365 Handicap Chase Class 4 · 19f · Good To Firm · 7 ran 6/7 8 11-3 8987C Joe Tizzard 20/1
08 Mar 09+11d Market Rasen Book Tickets Online At marketrasenraces.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase Class 5 · 19f · Soft · 11 ran 6/11 25 11-12 9481C Tom Siddall 40/1
25 Feb 09+18d Bangor-on-Dee Poethlyn Novices' Handicap Chase Class 4 · 20.5f · Good To Soft · 10 ran UR/10 — 10-6 94— Tom Siddall 25/1
07 Feb 09+52d Kempton williamhill.com - Play Bingo Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 21f · Soft · 10 ran 7/10 16 11-3 9984C Tom Siddall 66/1
2008 · 4 runs
17 Dec 08+23d Bangor-on-Dee Ruabon Mountain 'national Hunt' Novices' Hurdle Class 4 · 16.5f · Soft · 15 ran 11/15 nk 10-9 9987C Sean Quinlan 100/1
24 Nov 08+304d Ludlow E.B.F. 'National Hunt' Novices' Hurdle (Qualifier) Class 4 · 21f · Good To Soft · 9 ran 6/9 2½ 10-12 9497C Tom Siddall 66/1
25 Jan 08+15d Newbury SFC Group.co.uk 'National Hunt' Novices' Hurdle (Div 2) Class 4 · 16.5f · Soft · 13 ran 12/13 14 11-4 94101C Warren Marston 100/1
10 Jan 08+15d Hereford Bet365 Best Odds On Every Maiden NH Flat Race (Conds/Amats) Class 6 · 16f · Soft · 12 ran 7/12 ½ 11-1 —83C Gerard Tumelty 80/1
2007 · 2 runs
26 Dec 07+32d Towcester gg.com Tipzone Intermediate Open NH Flat Race (Div 1) Class 5 · 16f · Soft · 12 ran 8/12 2 11-0 —93C Warren Marston 8/1
24 Nov 07 Haydock 'Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon' Newcomers NH Flat Race Class 4 · 15.5f · Soft · 17 ran 13/17 30 11-8 —88C Tony Evans 33/1

Quick answers

How many races has Illogical Hope won?
Illogical Hope (IRE) won 2 of 12 archived starts between 2007 and 2009, a strike rate of 16.7%. Placed 2 times in total (16.7% of starts).
Who trained Illogical Hope?
Illogical Hope (IRE) was trained by Charlie Longsdon on the most recent run on record, at Ffos Las on 11 October 2009.
Who is Illogical Hope's sire?
Illogical Hope (IRE) is by Fourstars Allstar (USA) out of Queen Street (IRE), whose sire is King's Ride.
What is Illogical Hope's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 93, from the run on 11 October 2009. The highest on record is 99.
What is Illogical Hope's sire's record?
Fourstars Allstar (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 7.1% of 940 runs since Jan 2008 (120 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest at trips beyond 3m (all codes): 10.6% from 113.
Who are Illogical Hope's siblings?
Out of Queen Street (IRE), Illogical Hope (IRE) has 2 other produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from November 2007. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.