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Horse profile

Needless To Say (IRE)

9yo mare (at last run, Mar 2008) · Last trainer Edward Cawley · Last owner Edward Cawley
by Needle Gun (IRE) out of Graf Spey (IRE) (Amazing Bust)
15 runs · 11 courses · from Feb 2006
As at 5 Nov 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 22 Mar 2008 — 6,801 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Mar 2008 · 12th of 16 Last raced off OR 85
KTB Profile

Needless To Say (IRE) is yet to win from 15 starts, though has placed twice. Best effort: 2nd of 12 at Sligo (Aug 2007). Last raced off 85, 13lb below the career-high mark.

Based on 15 archived runs · updated 5 Nov 2026
KTB at a glance OR ↓ 13lb off peak

Progeny in our archive

Produce record

As a dam, Needless To Say (IRE) has 3 produce in the archive, 0 winners.

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Need For Gold (IRE)100——
Golden Gun (IRE)50——
Peachy Pie (IRE)20——
Official rating85↓ 13lb off peak
85 85–98

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 96C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Gowran Park, 19 Oct 2007 Official rating 85 at the last run, 22 Mar 2008

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code — its best recent day. The KTB Rating on a racecard is a different reading of the same figures: the level the horse has been running to, an average of up to its last six runs with the latest counting most, so the two can differ. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 14 figures · best 96C · median 83
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
Soft480C75—
Heavy496C90—
Good296C93.5—
Good to Soft286C81—
Good to Firm1———
Firm1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 5 Nov 2025
1m5f – 2m996C89—
2m1f – 2m4f595C79—

Of 15 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 14 figures from 15 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Needle Gun (IRE)

Progeny in our archive have won 5% of 1,228 runs since Jan 2008 (139 horses).

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm1100%−50 from 1
Good to Firm14964%−10 from 1
Good407256.1%+1.10 from 2
Good to Soft18863.2%−1.80 from 3
Soft278134.7%−0.30 from 4
Heavy190126.3%+1.30 from 4
Standard (AW)500%−5—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m2f – 1m4f800%−5—
1m5f – 2m402194.7%−0.30 from 9
2m1f – 2m4f442245.4%+0.40 from 6
2m5f – 3m321185.6%+0.6—
Over 3m5511.8%−3.2—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 5 Nov 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Graf Spey (IRE) (Amazing Bust)

3 siblings in the archive, 1 winner — best of them Oscar Glory (IRE) (4 wins).

The wins came over 2m6f–3m½f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Oscar Glory (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Oscar Glory (IRE)3342m6f–3m½fClass 4
Watch Yer Man (IRE)140——
Bust The Bank (IRE)20——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Soft 4 0 0% −4.00
Heavy 4 0 0% −4.00
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Good 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Firm 1 0 0% −1.00
Firm 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Sligo 4 0 0% −4.00
Fairyhouse 2 0 0% −2.00
Cork 1 0 0% −1.00
Gowran Park 1 0 0% −1.00
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Tipperary 1 0 0% −1.00
Ballinrobe 1 0 0% −1.00
Punchestown 1 0 0% −1.00
Limerick (IRE) 1 0 0% −1.00
Kilbeggan 1 0 0% −1.00
Limerick 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m5f – 2m 9 0 0% −9.00
2m1f – 2m4f 6 0 0% −6.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
D G Hogan 5 0 0% −5.00
Mr Thomas Coyle 4 0 0% −4.00
Martin Mooney 2 0 0% −2.00
Phillip Enright 1 0 0% −1.00
B M Cash 1 0 0% −1.00
John Cullen 1 0 0% −1.00
Mr A T Duff 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2008 1 0 0% −1.00
2007 8 0 0% −8.00
2006 6 0 0% −6.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 11 0 0% −11.00
NH Flat 3 0 0% −3.00
Chase 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
2008 · 1 run
22 Mar 08+155d Cork Charleville Handicap Hurdle (81-102) 2m3f · Yielding · 16 ran 12/16 30 10-8 8576C D G Hogan 14/1
2007 · 8 runs
19 Oct 07+16d Gowran Park Carlow (Mares) Handicap Hurdle (74-102) (Div 2) 2m · Good · 18 ran 6/18 shd 10-13 8696C Phillip Enright 14/1
03 Oct 07+10d Sligo Corner House Bar Ballymote Handicap Hurdle (74-109) 2m · Heavy · 13 ran 7/13 23 10-6 8677C D G Hogan 10/1
23 Sep 07+26d Listowel Low Low EBF (Mares) Handicap Hurdle (74-116) 2m4f · Good To Yielding · 17 ran 9/17 1½ 10-7 9276C D G Hogan 20/1
28 Aug 07+19d Sligo Londis Supermarkets Handicap Hurdle (74-95) 2m4f · Good To Yielding · 16 ran 8/16 hd 11-5 9386C D G Hogan 20/1
09 Aug 07+18d Sligo Leo McMorrow Memorial Handicap Hurdle (74-95) 2m · Soft To Heavy · 12 ran 2/12 5 11-5 9391C D G Hogan 16/1
22 Jul 07+55d Tipperary O'Dwyer Tarmac Handicap Hurdle (74-109) 2m · Heavy · 16 ran 11/16 6 10-13 9589C Martin Mooney 16/1
28 May 07+30d Ballinrobe Irish Stallion Farms EBf Beginners Chase 2m1f · Good To Firm · 13 ran 8/13 6 11-7 —79C Martin Mooney 33/1
28 Apr 07+147d Punchestown Peggy Barry-Walsh Memorial Handicap Hurdle (81-109) 2m · Good · 21 ran 11/21 ½ 10-12 9891C B M Cash 33/1
2006 · 6 runs
02 Dec 06+20d Fairyhouse Kildownet Group Maiden Hurdle 2m · Soft · 25 ran 15/25 20 11-7 —80C John Cullen 25/1
12 Nov 06+65d Limerick (IRE) Arramount Furniture (Q.R.) Maiden Hurdle 2m · Soft · 17 ran 9/17 8 11-0 —74C Mr Thomas Coyle 16/1
08 Sep 06+54d Kilbeggan Kilbeggan Inh Flat Race 2m3f · Good To Yielding · 13 ran RR/13 — 11-2 —— Mr Thomas Coyle 8/1
16 Jul 06+136d Sligo Irish Stallion Farms EBF (Mares) Maiden Hurdle 2m2f · Firm · 10 ran 2/10 1 10-6 —95C Mr Thomas Coyle 14/1
02 Mar 06+15d Limerick Rockview (q.r.) Mares Inh Flat Race 2m · Yielding To Soft · 10 ran 7/10 25 10-9 —60C Mr A T Duff 25/1
15 Feb 06 Fairyhouse Mares INH Flat Race 2m · Heavy · 15 ran 10/15 2 11-2 —96C Mr Thomas Coyle 14/1

Quick answers

How many races has Needless To Say won?
Needless To Say (IRE) has yet to win, from 15 archived starts between 2006 and 2008. Placed 2 times in total (13.3% of starts).
Who trained Needless To Say?
Needless To Say (IRE) was trained by Edward Cawley on the most recent run on record, at Cork on 22 March 2008.
Who is Needless To Say's sire?
Needless To Say (IRE) is by Needle Gun (IRE) out of Graf Spey (IRE), whose sire is Amazing Bust.
What is Needless To Say's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 85, from the run on 22 March 2008. The highest on record is 98.
What is Needless To Say's sire's record?
Needle Gun (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 5% of 1,228 runs since Jan 2008 (139 horses), Flat and jumps together.
Who are Needless To Say's siblings?
Out of Graf Spey (IRE), Needless To Say (IRE) has 3 other produce in our archive, 1 of them a winner. Most wins: Oscar Glory (IRE) (4). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Oscar Glory (IRE)). The wins came over 2m6f–3m½f. As at Nov 2026.
Has Needless To Say produced winners?
As a dam, Needless To Say (IRE) has 3 produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Nov 2026.

Record shown from February 2006. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Any runs before that, or in other countries, are not in it. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.