Never Say Never (IRE)
Never Say Never (IRE) is yet to win from 6 starts, though has placed 3 times. Best effort: 2nd of 5 at Doncaster (Jun 2021).
Progeny in our archive
As a dam, Never Say Never (IRE) has 1 produce in the archive, 0 winners.
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Moving Rubber (GB) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
- 0–6Wins / Runs
- 0%Strike rate
- 3 (50%)Placed
- −6.00£1 level staken=6 at SP
- 0.00Fair A/E n=6 · 0.00 incl. margin
- 70Highest OR
- 43dAvg between runs
A/E compares actual wins with what starting prices implied. "Fair" strips the bookmaker margin from the expectation, so favourites and longshots are judged on the same footing — figures near 1.00 mean the market priced this horse about right.
KTB Speed and Rating
Best recent Speed 85
How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →
| Going | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 2 | 84B | 76.5 | — |
| Good | 2 | 87C | 74 | — |
| Good to Firm | 2 | 85A | 81.5 | — |
| Distance | Runs | Best | Median | Since 28 Oct 2025 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 4 | 87C | 81 | — |
| 6f – 7f | 2 | 85A | 77 | — |
KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 6 figures from 6 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast
Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.
Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.
Pedigree intelligence
Progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,335 runs since Jan 2008 (707 horses).
Weakest on good to soft going: 9% from 612. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.6% from 185.
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 16 | 5 | 31.3% | +19.2 | — |
| Good to Firm | 927 | 122 | 13.2% | +1.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Good | 1,489 | 181 | 12.2% | +0.1 | 0 from 2 |
| Good to Soft | 612 | 55 | 9% | −3.1 | — |
| Soft | 845 | 110 | 13% | +0.9 | — |
| Heavy | 285 | 37 | 13% | +0.9 | — |
| Standard (AW) | 2,161 | 256 | 11.8% | −0.3 | 0 from 2 |
| Distance (all codes) | Runs | Wins | SR | vs sire | This horse |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 911 | 122 | 13.4% | +1.3 | 0 from 4 |
| 6f – 7f | 3,391 | 440 | 13% | +0.9 | 0 from 2 |
| 1m – 1m1f | 1,183 | 131 | 11.1% | −1 | — |
| 1m2f – 1m4f | 583 | 54 | 9.3% | −2.8 | — |
| 1m5f – 2m | 185 | 14 | 7.6% | −4.5 | — |
| 2m1f – 2m4f | 77 | 5 | 6.5% | −5.6 | — |
| 2m5f – 3m | 5 | 0 | 0% | −12.1 | — |
Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast
11 siblings in the archive, 6 winners — best of them Godfrey Street (GB) (8 wins).
The wins came over 5f–1m2f; the highest grade won is Group 1 (Gilt Edge Girl (GB)).
| Produce | Runs | Wins | Win trips | Best grade |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Godfrey Street (GB) | 50 | 8 | 5f | Group 2 |
| Gilt Edge Girl (GB) | 17 | 6 | 5f–6f | Group 1 |
| Winnam (GB) | 9 | 2 | 1m | Class 4 |
| Always Ready (GB) | 17 | 1 | 7f | Class 3 |
| Xclaim (GB) | 11 | 1 | 1m2f | Class 5 |
| Tamora (GB) | 15 | 1 | 7f | Class 7 |
| Blue Umbrella (IRE) | 12 | 0 | — | — |
| Novel Concept (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Golden Secret (GB) | 4 | 0 | — | — |
| Graceful (IRE) | 3 | 0 | — | — |
| Ahwahnee (GB) | 2 | 0 | — | — |
Record by conditions
| Going | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard (AW) | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Good to Firm | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Class | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 5 | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Class 4 | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Course | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Redcar | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Newcastle (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| York | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Doncaster | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Wolverhampton (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
| Distance | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Under 6f | 4 | 0 | 0% | −4.00 |
| 6f – 7f | 2 | 0 | 0% | −2.00 |
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | SR | £1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tom Eaves | 5 | 0 | 0% | −5.00 |
| Barry McHugh | 1 | 0 | 0% | −1.00 |
Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.
Form
| Date | Course | Race | Pos | Btn | Wgt | OR | Spd | KTB | Jockey | SP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2021 · 6 runs | ||||||||||
| 08 Oct 21+16d | Newcastle (AW) | Free Replays On attheraces.com Handicap | 12/14 | nk | 9-5 | 68 | 84B | 64A | Barry McHugh | 16/1 |
| 22 Sep 21+75d | Redcar | Watch Race Replays At racingtv.com Handicap | 3/16 | ½ | 9-6 | 67 | 87C | 85A | Tom Eaves | 28/1 |
| 09 Jul 21+34d | York | Longines Irish Champions Weekend Handicap | 15/15 | hd | 8-8 | 70 | 61C | 38A | Tom Eaves | 28/1 |
| 05 Jun 21+37d | Doncaster | Visit attheraces.com Novice Stakes | 2/5 | 3¼ | 8-12 | — | 78C | 69B | Tom Eaves | 6/4F |
| 29 Apr 21+52d | Redcar | Visit Redcar Car Boot This Sunday Fillies' Novice Stakes | 2/11 | 2 | 8-10 | — | 85A | 86A | Tom Eaves | 33/1 |
| 08 Mar 21 | Wolverhampton (AW) | Play Ladbrokes 5-A-Side On Football Fillies' Novice Stakes | 8/13 | 2 | 8-11 | — | 69B | 47A | Tom Eaves | 33/1 |
Quick answers
- How many races has Never Say Never won?
- Never Say Never (IRE) has yet to win, from 6 archived starts in 2021. Placed 3 times in total (50% of starts).
- Who trained Never Say Never?
- Never Say Never (IRE) was trained by Geoff Oldroyd on the most recent run on record, at Newcastle (AW) on 8 October 2021.
- Who is Never Say Never's sire?
- Never Say Never (IRE) is by No Nay Never (USA) out of Tahara (IRE), whose sire is Caerleon.
- What is Never Say Never's official rating?
- The most recent official rating on record is 68, from the run on 8 October 2021. The highest on record is 70.
- What is Never Say Never's sire's record?
- No Nay Never (USA)'s progeny in our archive have won 12.1% of 6,335 runs since Jan 2008 (707 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on good to soft going: 9% from 612. Weakest over 1m5f – 2m (all codes): 7.6% from 185.
- Who are Never Say Never's siblings?
- Out of Tahara (IRE), Never Say Never (IRE) has 11 other produce in our archive, 6 of them winners. Most wins: Godfrey Street (GB) (8). Highest grade won: Group 1 (Gilt Edge Girl (GB)). The wins came over 5f–1m2f. As at Oct 2026.
- Has Never Say Never produced winners?
- As a dam, Never Say Never (IRE) has 1 produce in our archive, 0 of them winners. As at Oct 2026.