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Sans Logique (GB)

4yo gelding (at last run, May 2021) · Last trainer David Pipe · Last owner W Frewen
9 runs · 6 courses · from Aug 2020
As at 22 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 4 May 2021 — 1,996 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run May 2021 · 11th of 13 Last raced off OR 100
KTB Profile

Sans Logique (GB) is yet to win from 9 starts. Best effort: 3rd of 4 at Southwell (AW) (Mar 2021).

Based on 9 archived runs · updated 22 Oct 2026
Official rating100↓ 6lb off peak
100 68–106

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 95 the best of the last 2 graded (A or B) runs · Lingfield (AW), 13 Feb 2021

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 4 figures · best 78C · median 46.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Good352C41—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f378C52—
1m5f – 2m1———
Flat 4 figures · best 95A · median 72.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)495A72.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f495A72.5—

Of 9 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 8 figures from 9 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating (jumps) 86C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Fontwell, 8 Dec 2020 Official rating 100 at the last jumps run, 4 May 2021

Best recent KTB Rating (flat) 63B the best of the last 3 rated runs · Southwell (AW), 11 Mar 2021 Official rating 68 at the last flat run, 29 Mar 2021

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 4 figures · best 107B · median 81.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Good3107B77—
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f3107B86—
1m5f – 2m1———
Flat 4 figures · best 63B · median 55
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Standard (AW)463B55—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
1m2f – 1m4f463B55—

Of 9 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 8 figures from 9 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 3,855 runs since Jan 2008 (417 horses).

Weakest on heavy going: 6.8% from 191. Strongest at trips under 6f (all codes): 15.5% from 142.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm13430.8%+20.2—
Good to Firm3553911%+0.4—
Good6256810.9%+0.30 from 3
Good to Soft5526411.6%+1—
Soft531468.7%−1.90 from 2
Heavy191136.8%−3.8—
Standard (AW)1,58617310.9%+0.30 from 4
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1422215.5%+4.9—
6f – 7f1,16112410.7%+0.1—
1m – 1m1f1,36514910.9%+0.3—
1m2f – 1m4f863789%−1.60 from 4
1m5f – 2m2222913.1%+2.50 from 1
2m1f – 2m4f9355.4%−5.20 from 4
2m5f – 3m800%−10.6—
Over 3m100%−10.6—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam

4 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Raintown (IRE) (9 wins).

The wins came over 7f–2m7f; the highest grade won is Class 4 (Raintown (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Raintown (IRE)5391m–1m4fClass 4
No Thanks (GB)4951m3½f–2m7fClass 6
Beattie Is Back (GB)3557fClass 4
Miss Mambo (IRE)100——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Standard (AW) 4 0 0% −4.00
Good 3 0 0% −3.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 7 0 0% −7.00
Class 5 2 0 0% −2.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Lingfield (AW) 2 0 0% −2.00
Fontwell 2 0 0% −2.00
Sedgefield 2 0 0% −2.00
Southwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Wolverhampton (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00
Southwell (AW) 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
1m2f – 1m4f 4 0 0% −4.00
2m1f – 2m4f 4 0 0% −4.00
1m5f – 2m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Tom Scudamore 3 0 0% −3.00
Dougie Costello 2 0 0% −2.00
Kieron Edgar 1 0 0% −1.00
Luke Catton 1 0 0% −1.00
Cieren Fallon 1 0 0% −1.00
Fergus Gillard 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 7 0 0% −7.00
Tongue tie + cheekpieces 1 0 0% −1.00
Tongue tie 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2021 5 0 0% −5.00
2020 4 0 0% −4.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 5 0 0% −5.00
Flat 4 0 0% −4.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
04 May 21+36d Southwell Newark Days Out Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 16f · Good · 13 ran 11/13 3¾ 11-6 10038C77C Kieron Edgar 80/1
29 Mar 21+18d Wolverhampton (AW) Play 4 To Win At Betway Handicap Class 5 · 12f · Standard · 11 ran 10/11 8½ 8-13 6866C47C Dougie Costello 33/1
11 Mar 21+26d Southwell (AW) Heed Your Hunch At Betway Handicap Class 4 · 12f · Standard · 4 ran 3/4 2¼ 9-2 7276C63B Dougie Costello 12/1
13 Feb 21+22d Lingfield (AW) Betway Apprentice Handicap Class 4 · 12f · Standard To Slow · 7 ran 5/7 4 8-11 7795A58A Luke Catton 200/1
22 Jan 21+45d Lingfield (AW) Heed Your Hunch At Betway Handicap Class 4 · 10f · Standard · 9 ran 9/9 12 9-4 8069C52C Cieren Fallon 80/1
08 Dec 20+67d Fontwell One More For The Moore's Juvenile Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 17.5f · Soft · 6 ran 4/6 8 10-7 10678C86C Fergus Gillard 10/1
02 Oct 20+3d Fontwell Download The At The Races App Juvenile Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 17.5f · Soft · 7 ran PU/7 — 10-12 ——— Tom Scudamore 18/1
29 Sep 20+33d Sedgefield bet365 Juvenile Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 17f · Good · 8 ran 5/8 25 11-0 —52C73C Tom Scudamore 3/1
27 Aug 20 Sedgefield Roflow Celebrating 30 Years 1990 To 2020 Juvenile Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 17f · Good · 7 ran 4/7 2½ 10-10 —41A107B Tom Scudamore 11/10F

Quick answers

How many races has Sans Logique (GB) won?
Sans Logique (GB) has yet to win, from 9 archived starts between 2020 and 2021.
Who trained Sans Logique (GB)?
Sans Logique (GB) was trained by David Pipe on the most recent run on record, at Southwell on 4 May 2021.
Who is Sans Logique (GB)'s sire?
Sans Logique (GB) is by Toronado (IRE) out of Miss Fifty (IRE), whose sire is Whipper.
What is Sans Logique (GB)'s official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 100, from the run on 4 May 2021. The highest on record is 106.
What is Sans Logique (GB)'s sire's record?
Toronado (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.6% of 3,855 runs since Jan 2008 (417 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on heavy going: 6.8% from 191. Strongest at trips under 6f (all codes): 15.5% from 142.
Who are Sans Logique (GB)'s siblings?
Out of Miss Fifty (IRE), Sans Logique (GB) has 4 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Raintown (IRE) (9). Highest grade won: Class 4 (Raintown (IRE)). The wins came over 7f–2m7f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from August 2020. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.