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Horse profile

Stubborn Logic (IRE)

6yo gelding (at last run, Nov 2020) · Last trainer David Pipe · Last owner Valueracingclubcouk
by Dylan Thomas (IRE) out of Peripheral Vision (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)
13 runs · 11 courses · from Aug 2018
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 8 Nov 2020 — 2,180 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Nov 2020 · 4th of 15 Won at Market Rasen Last raced off OR 104
KTB Profile

Stubborn Logic (IRE) is 1 from 13, the win coming at Class 5 level. Hasn't won since Jun 2019. Last raced off a career-high mark of 104.

Based on 13 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Win at Class 5 OR at career high
Official rating104At career-high mark
104 99–104

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 123 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Wincanton, 15 Oct 2020

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 12 figures · best 132C · median 104.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Good8132C101—
Good to Firm2123B115—
Good to Soft1———
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m5132C123—
2m1f – 2m4f4111C101.5—
1m5f – 2m3102B80—

Of 13 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (1).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 13 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 120A the best of the last 3 rated runs · Wincanton, 15 Oct 2020 Official rating 104 at the last run, 8 Nov 2020

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 12 figures · best 125A · median 106.5
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Good8125A105.5—
Good to Firm2120A113.5—
Good to Soft1———
Soft1———
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m5123A106—
2m1f – 2m4f4125A118.5—
1m5f – 2m3105A96—

Of 13 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 12 figures from 13 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 10.5% of 7,491 runs since Jan 2008 (533 horses).

Strongest at trips under 6f (all codes): 17.7% from 192.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm50612%+1.5—
Good to Firm6467912.2%+1.70 from 2
Good2,07424011.6%+1.11 from 9
Good to Soft1,1391119.7%−0.80 from 1
Soft1,7121549%−1.50 from 1
Heavy6496510%−0.5—
Standard (AW)1,22013210.8%+0.3—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f1923417.7%+7.2—
6f – 7f691608.7%−1.8—
1m – 1m1f1,21412510.3%−0.2—
1m2f – 1m4f1,24812710.2%−0.3—
1m5f – 2m1,81218210%−0.50 from 3
2m1f – 2m4f1,55217111%+0.51 from 5
2m5f – 3m6466610.2%−0.30 from 5
Over 3m1362216.2%+5.7—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Peripheral Vision (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall)

5 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Bolsover Bill (IRE) (7 wins).

The wins came over 2m–3m½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (By The Boardwalk (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Bolsover Bill (IRE)3772m–3mClass 4
By The Boardwalk (IRE)3452m4f–3m½fClass 3
Blarney Kestrel (IRE)10——
Potters Vision (IRE)80——
Queen Medbh (IRE)30——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 9 1 11% −6.50
Good to Firm 2 0 0% −2.00
Good to Soft 1 0 0% −1.00
Soft 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 5 5 1 20% −2.50
Class 4 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 3 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Wincanton 2 0 0% −2.00
Tramore 2 0 0% −2.00
Stratford 1 0 0% −1.00
Fakenham 1 0 0% −1.00
Plumpton 1 0 0% −1.00
Market Rasen 1 1 100% +1.50
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Warwick 1 0 0% −1.00
Clonmel 1 0 0% −1.00
Listowel 1 0 0% −1.00
Roscommon 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 5 1 20% −2.50
2m5f – 3m 5 0 0% −5.00
1m5f – 2m 3 0 0% −3.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Tom Scudamore 3 0 0% −3.00
Charlie Hammond 3 0 0% −3.00
Rachael Blackmore 2 0 0% −2.00
Donal McInerney 2 0 0% −2.00
David Noonan 1 0 0% −1.00
Sam Twiston-Davies 1 1 100% +1.50
Mr M J O'Hare 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 10 1 10% −7.50
Cheekpieces 2 0 0% −2.00
Tongue tie + blinkers 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2020 4 0 0% −4.00
2019 4 1 25% −1.50
2018 5 0 0% −5.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 12 1 8% −9.50
NH Flat 1 0 0% −1.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2020 · 4 runs
08 Nov 20+11d Stratford Alveston Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 18.5f · Good To Soft · 15 ran 4/15 5½ 11-11 104111C118A David Noonan 18/1
28 Oct 20+13d Fakenham Greene King IPA Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23.5f · Good · 10 ran 7/10 19 11-8 104100C87C Tom Scudamore 11/2
15 Oct 20+25d Wincanton Every Race Live On Racing TV Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 21.5f · Good To Firm · 11 ran 3/11 ½ 11-5 102123B120A Tom Scudamore 8/1
20 Sep 20+471d Plumpton Thank You Nhs & Key Workers Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 20.5f · Good To Firm · 12 ran 7/12 11 11-12 103107B107A Tom Scudamore 11/2
2019 · 4 runs
07 Jun 19+12d Market Rasen Elite Windows Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 20.5f · Good · 12 ran 1/12 11-11 9996A125A Sam Twiston-Davies 6/4F
26 May 19+20d Fontwell goodwinracing.co.uk Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 21.5f · Good · 13 ran 2/13 1½ 11-8 99119C123A Charlie Hammond 6/4F
06 May 19+22d Warwick Agetur UK Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 19f · Good · 11 ran F/11 — 11-8 99—— Charlie Hammond 5/4F
14 Apr 19+178d Wincanton Cadbury Business Park Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 21.5f · Good · 14 ran 9/14 1 9-13 101132C82C Charlie Hammond 7/2F
2018 · 5 runs
18 Oct 18+14d Tramore Waterford & Tramore Racecourse Supporters Club Maiden Hurdle 21.5f · Good · 10 ran 4/10 8½ 11-2 —131B106A Rachael Blackmore 10/1
04 Oct 18+23d Clonmel Fethard Maiden Hurdle 20f · Good · 9 ran 2/9 4¼ 11-2 —77A119A Rachael Blackmore 10/1
11 Sep 18+26d Listowel Connolly's RED MILLS Irish EBF Auction Maiden Hurdle 16f · Yielding To Soft · 14 ran 6/14 18 11-1 —76C88C Donal McInerney 33/1
16 Aug 18+9d Tramore Pat Halley Architects Maiden Hurdle 16f · Good · 14 ran 5/14 3 10-13 —80B105A Donal McInerney 20/1
07 Aug 18 Roscommon Ireland's Hidden Heartlands Flat Race 16.5f · Good · 18 ran 10/18 1½ 11-4 —102B96A Mr M J O'Hare 66/1

Quick answers

How many races has Stubborn Logic won?
Stubborn Logic (IRE) won 1 of 13 archived starts between 2018 and 2020, a strike rate of 7.7%. Placed 4 times in total (30.8% of starts).
Who trained Stubborn Logic?
Stubborn Logic (IRE) was trained by David Pipe on the most recent run on record, at Stratford on 8 November 2020.
Who is Stubborn Logic's sire?
Stubborn Logic (IRE) is by Dylan Thomas (IRE) out of Peripheral Vision (IRE), whose sire is Saddlers' Hall.
What going does Stubborn Logic prefer?
Stubborn Logic (IRE) has the best record on good going: 1 win from 9 starts (11.1%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is Stubborn Logic's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 104, from the run on 8 November 2020. That is also the highest on record.
What is Stubborn Logic's sire's record?
Dylan Thomas (IRE)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.5% of 7,491 runs since Jan 2008 (533 horses), Flat and jumps together. Strongest at trips under 6f (all codes): 17.7% from 192.
Who are Stubborn Logic's siblings?
Out of Peripheral Vision (IRE), Stubborn Logic (IRE) has 5 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Bolsover Bill (IRE) (7). Highest grade won: Class 3 (By The Boardwalk (IRE)). The wins came over 2m–3m½f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from August 2018. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.