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Horse profile

The Turtle Said (GB)

7yo gelding (at last run, Jul 2024) · Last trainer Neil Mulholland · Last owner Mrs P Bunch
by Manduro (GER) out of Goslar (GB) (In The Wings)
13 runs · 9 courses · from Nov 2020
As at 28 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 26 Jul 2024 — 824 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jul 2024 · 11th of 14 2 wins · Worcester & Uttoxeter Last raced off OR 105
KTB Profile

The Turtle Said won two of 13 starts over hurdles, both in handicaps over 2m1f – 2m4f on good ground at Worcester and Uttoxeter in Jul and Aug 2022. He has not won since Aug 2022. All three starts at Wincanton and both runs over 2m5f – 3m ended in defeat. Aged 7 at his last run in Jul 2024, he finished 11 of 14 at Uttoxeter off an official rating of 105.

Based on 13 archived runs · updated 28 Oct 2026
KTB at a glance Wins on good or faster
Official rating105↓ 7lb off peak
105 98–112

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

Best recent Speed 124 the best of the last 3 graded (A or B) runs · Wincanton, 23 Nov 2023

How fast the horse ran, as points against the day-corrected standard time for its course and distance: 100 is the median GB Class 4 handicap winner on that code; one point is 0.1% of the standard time. A, B or C is how much the day's card could tell us, not how good the run was. What this means →

Jumps 11 figures · best 124A · median 105
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Good7118A105—
Good to Soft280C64—
Soft2124A114.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f5124A109—
1m5f – 2m4117B86.5—
2m5f – 3m2105C87—

Of 13 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: did not complete (2).

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 11 figures from 13 runs · as at 3 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 107C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Ludlow, 20 Dec 2023 Official rating 105 at the last run, 26 Jul 2024

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 11 figures · best 126A · median 109
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
Good7126A111—
Good to Soft2106C104—
Soft2114B110.5—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 28 Oct 2025
2m1f – 2m4f5126A114—
1m5f – 2m4114A109—
2m5f – 3m2107C104—

Of 13 runs looked at, 2 have no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (2).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 11 figures from 13 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire

Progeny in our archive have won 10.4% of 4,217 runs since Jan 2008 (410 horses).

Weakest on standard (aw) going: 6.8% from 1,095.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm23417.4%+7—
Good to Firm402348.5%−1.9—
Good94012012.8%+2.42 from 9
Good to Soft5627012.5%+2.10 from 2
Soft8459210.9%+0.50 from 2
Heavy3504613.1%+2.7—
Standard (AW)1,095746.8%−3.6—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Under 6f3139.7%−0.7—
6f – 7f402307.5%−2.9—
1m – 1m1f8028510.6%+0.2—
1m2f – 1m4f1,5111429.4%−1—
1m5f – 2m90010711.9%+1.50 from 4
2m1f – 2m4f4315713.2%+2.82 from 5
2m5f – 3m1251512%+1.60 from 3
Over 3m1516.7%−3.70 from 1

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 28 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Goslar (GB) (In The Wings)

6 siblings in the archive, 2 winners — best of them Gosbeck (GB) (2 wins).

The wins came over 1m2f–1m6f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Gosbeck (GB)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Gosbeck (GB)1321m2f–1m6fClass 3
Hallbeck (GB)1411m4fClass 6
Battle Lines (GB)90——
Gordon Flash (GB)150——
Harly Forest (GB)50——
Suture Self (GB)40——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good 9 2 22% +12.00
Good to Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 4 7 1 14% −3.00
Class 5 5 1 20% +12.00
Class 3 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Wincanton 3 0 0% −3.00
Uttoxeter 2 1 50% +15.00
Worcester 2 1 50% +2.00
Plumpton 1 0 0% −1.00
Ludlow 1 0 0% −1.00
Fontwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Exeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Southwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Huntingdon 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m1f – 2m4f 5 2 40% +16.00
1m5f – 2m 4 0 0% −4.00
2m5f – 3m 3 0 0% −3.00
Over 3m 1 0 0% −1.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Sam Twiston-Davies 6 1 17% +11.00
James Bowen 1 0 0% −1.00
Joe Anderson 1 0 0% −1.00
Charlie Deutsch 1 0 0% −1.00
Miss Brodie Hampson 1 0 0% −1.00
Thomasina Eyston 1 1 100% +3.00
Tom Scudamore 1 0 0% −1.00
Max Kendrick 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 11 2 18% +10.00
Cheekpieces 2 0 0% −2.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2024 4 0 0% −4.00
2023 2 0 0% −2.00
2022 5 2 40% +16.00
2021 1 0 0% −1.00
2020 1 0 0% −1.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Hurdle 10 2 20% +11.00
NH Flat 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORSpdKTB Jockey SP
2024 · 4 runs
26 Jul 24+55d Uttoxeter Phil Hall Ocean 50 Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23.5f · Good · 14 ran 11/14 11 11-4 10569C101C Sam Twiston-Davies 7/1
01 Jun 24+48d Worcester Give Us A Cheer Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 23f · Good · 9 ran F/9 — 11-9 105—— James Bowen 4/1J
14 Apr 24+93d Plumpton Dorothy Bridle Memorial Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 25f · Good · 12 ran RO/12 — 11-9 105—— Joe Anderson 6/1
12 Jan 24+23d Wincanton Start Your Racingtv Free Trial Now Handicap Hurdle Class 4 · 20f · Good To Soft · 15 ran 14/15 39 11-7 10880C106C Charlie Deutsch 14/1
2023 · 2 runs
20 Dec 23+27d Ludlow Alpha Aggregates Handicap Hurdle (Female Amateur Jockeys) Class 4 · 21f · Soft · 10 ran 8/10 20 11-7 111105C107C Miss Brodie Hampson 16/1
23 Nov 23+457d Wincanton Pendil Partnership Handicap Hurdle Class 3 · 20f · Soft · 7 ran 4/7 ½ 10-11 112124A114B Sam Twiston-Davies 12/1
2022 · 5 runs
23 Aug 22+41d Worcester At The Races App Form Study Conditional Jockeys' Novices' Handicap Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 20f · Good · 9 ran 1/9 10-11 101118A126A Thomasina Eyston 3/1F
13 Jul 22+62d Uttoxeter H Brown & Son Recycling Novices' Handicap Hurdle Class 5 · 20f · Good · 9 ran 1/9 11-12 9891A115A Sam Twiston-Davies 16/1
12 May 22+43d Fontwell Read Kevin Blake On attheraces.com Novices' Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 17.5f · Good · 3 ran 2/3 9 11-1 —109C109C Sam Twiston-Davies 5/1
30 Mar 22+71d Wincanton In Association With Pavestone CRS 'National Hunt' Maiden Hurdle (GBB Race) Class 4 · 15f · Good · 8 ran 3/8 2½ 11-6 —105B107B Tom Scudamore 12/1
18 Jan 22+56d Exeter racingtv.com/freemonth Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 5 · 16.5f · Good To Soft · 10 ran 8/10 26 11-6 —48C102C Sam Twiston-Davies 16/1
2021 · 1 run
23 Nov 21+367d Southwell Cazoo Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 5 · 16f · Good · 9 ran 3/9 ½ 11-0 —117B111A Sam Twiston-Davies 9/1
2020 · 1 run
21 Nov 20 Huntingdon Bet 10 Get 20 'Junior' Maiden Open NH Flat Race (GBB Race) Class 5 · 13.5f · Good · 9 ran 2/9 nse 10-9 —68A114A Max Kendrick 3/1

Quick answers

How many races has The Turtle Said won?
The Turtle Said (GB) won 2 of 13 archived starts between 2020 and 2024, a strike rate of 15.4%. Placed 5 times in total (38.5% of starts).
Who trained The Turtle Said?
The Turtle Said (GB) was trained by Neil Mulholland on the most recent run on record, at Uttoxeter on 26 July 2024.
Who is The Turtle Said's sire?
The Turtle Said (GB) is by Manduro (GER) out of Goslar (GB), whose sire is In The Wings.
What going does The Turtle Said prefer?
The Turtle Said (GB) has the best record on good going: 2 wins from 9 starts (22.2%). Only going bands with at least three archived starts are read, so this is a direction rather than a settled preference.
What is The Turtle Said's official rating?
The most recent official rating on record is 105, from the run on 26 July 2024. The highest on record is 112.
What is The Turtle Said's sire's record?
Manduro (GER)'s progeny in our archive have won 10.4% of 4,217 runs since Jan 2008 (410 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest on standard (aw) going: 6.8% from 1,095.
Who are The Turtle Said's siblings?
Out of Goslar (GB), The Turtle Said (GB) has 6 other produce in our archive, 2 of them winners. Most wins: Gosbeck (GB) (2). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Gosbeck (GB)). The wins came over 1m2f–1m6f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from November 2020. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.