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Horse profile

Very Optimistic (IRE)

8yo gelding (at last run, Jan 2006) · Last trainer Jonjo O'Neill · Last owner Mrs Gay Smith
by Un Desperado (FR) out of Bright Future (IRE) (Satco)
6 runs · 5 courses · from Feb 2005
As at 22 Oct 2026 · KTB archive: GB, Ireland & France · 2005–present, updated daily
No run recorded since 30 Jan 2006 — 7,570 days ago. Our archive can't say whether the horse is still in training.
Last run Jan 2006 Beaten favourite LTO
KTB Profile

Very Optimistic (IRE) is yet to win from 6 starts, though has placed twice. Best effort: 2nd of 13 at Exeter (Nov 2005).

Based on 6 archived runs · updated 22 Oct 2026

KTB Speed and Rating

KTB Speed

No KTB Speed figures for this horse. The engine scores GB and Irish racing from Oct 2016; runs elsewhere, or earlier, have no figure.

KTB Speed v1 · batch 15 Sep 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 0 figures from 0 runs · a record, not a forecast

KTB Rating

Best recent KTB Rating 125C the best of the last 3 rated runs · Exeter, 18 Nov 2005 Official rating 132 at the last run, 7 May 2005

What the horse achieved in each race, in pounds on the official-rating scale, from the weight carried, the lengths beaten and the race's own level solved across the archive — never the market, never the official rating as a starting point. The headline is the best of the horse's last three rated runs on that code. A, B or C on a run is how much known form was in that race. What this means →

Jumps 5 figures · best 125C · median 102
GoingRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
Good to Soft3125C104—
Soft2102C101—
DistanceRunsBestMedianSince 22 Oct 2025
2m5f – 3m3125C104—
2m1f – 2m4f2102C93.5—

Of 6 runs looked at, 1 has no figure: did not complete (or a non-runner row) (1).

KTB Rating v1 · batch 3 Oct 2026 · GB & Irish racing only · 5 figures from 6 runs · as at 4 Oct 2026 · a record, not a forecast

Both figures are KTB's own, computed from the archive; no vendor rating enters either. Every run's figure is on its form line below with its grade. Grades measure how much the archive could see, never the merit of the run.

Run style is derived from in-running commentary, which our data provider does not supply for this horse's races.

Pedigree intelligence

Sire
Un Desperado (FR)

Progeny in our archive have won 8% of 377 runs since Jan 2008 (51 horses).

Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 4.7% from 106.

GoingRunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
Firm400%−8—
Good to Firm5911.7%−6.3—
Good130118.5%+0.50 from 1
Good to Soft6457.8%−0.20 from 3
Soft751013.3%+5.30 from 2
Heavy4237.1%−0.9—
Standard (AW)300%−8—
Distance (all codes)RunsWinsSRvs sireThis horse
1m2f – 1m4f600%−8—
1m5f – 2m6868.8%+0.8—
2m1f – 2m4f10654.7%−3.30 from 2
2m5f – 3m121129.9%+1.90 from 4
Over 3m7679.2%+1.2—

Flat and jumps together (all codes) · since Jan 2008 · as at 22 Oct 2026 · rows under 30 runs muted · win % is the measure, a record not a forecast

Dam
Bright Future (IRE) (Satco)

8 siblings in the archive, 3 winners — best of them Bright Prospect (IRE) (3 wins).

The wins came over 2m3½f–2m7½f; the highest grade won is Class 3 (Bright Prospect (IRE)).

ProduceRunsWinsWin tripsBest grade
Bright Prospect (IRE)2532m3½f–2m7½fClass 3
Mr Witmore (IRE)2612m4fClass 5
Mr Floppy (IRE)1612m5fClass 5
Bright Blaze (IRE)30——
Sea Robber (IRE)140——
First Tee (IRE)20——
Opens All Doors (IRE)20——
Secret Hill (IRE)20——

Record by conditions

GoingRunsWinsSR£1
Good to Soft 3 0 0% −3.00
Soft 2 0 0% −2.00
Good 1 0 0% −1.00

ClassRunsWinsSR£1
Class 2 3 0 0% −3.00
Class 3 2 0 0% −2.00
Class 4 1 0 0% −1.00

CourseRunsWinsSR£1
Haydock 2 0 0% −2.00
Southwell 1 0 0% −1.00
Chepstow 1 0 0% −1.00
Exeter 1 0 0% −1.00
Uttoxeter 1 0 0% −1.00

DistanceRunsWinsSR£1
2m5f – 3m 4 0 0% −4.00
2m1f – 2m4f 2 0 0% −2.00

JockeyRunsWinsSR£1
Richie McGrath 1 0 0% −1.00
Brian Harding 1 0 0% −1.00
Noel Fehily 1 0 0% −1.00
Graham Lee 1 0 0% −1.00
A P McCoy 1 0 0% −1.00
Mick Fitzgerald 1 0 0% −1.00

HeadgearRunsWinsSR£1
None 5 0 0% −5.00
Tongue tie 1 0 0% −1.00

SeasonRunsWinsSR£1
2006 1 0 0% −1.00
2005 5 0 0% −5.00

TypeRunsWinsSR£1
Chase 3 0 0% −3.00
Hurdle 3 0 0% −3.00

Splits include every sample, however small — muted rows are under 3 runs. A one-from-one record is a fact, not a trend: read the Runs column before the strike rate.

Form

DateCourseRace PosBtn Wgt ORKTB Jockey SP
30 Jan 06+34d Southwell Betfred Beginners' Chase Class 4 · 24.5f · Good · 8 ran PU/8 — 11-5 —— Richie McGrath EvensF
27 Dec 05+39d Chepstow Jim Neville Memorial Beginners' Chase Class 3 · 19.5f · Good To Soft · 10 ran 4/10 1 11-4 —85C Brian Harding 11/8F
18 Nov 05+195d Exeter South-West Racing Experience Novices' Chase Class 3 · 23.5f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 2/13 2½ 10-12 —125C Noel Fehily 13/2
07 May 05+7d Haydock Handicap Hurdle Class 2 · 23.5f · Good To Soft · 13 ran 3/13 ¾ 10-1 132104C Graham Lee 10/1
30 Apr 05+70d Uttoxeter totesport Handicap Hurdle Class 2 · 20f · Soft · 18 ran 15/18 15 11-6 134102C A P McCoy 11/2
19 Feb 05 Haydock Pertemps Handicap Hurdle (Qualifier) Class 2 · 23.5f · Soft · 15 ran 10/15 2 11-8 135100C Mick Fitzgerald 7/1

Quick answers

How many races has Very Optimistic (IRE) won?
Very Optimistic (IRE) has yet to win, from 6 archived starts between 2005 and 2006. Placed 2 times in total (33.3% of starts).
Who trained Very Optimistic (IRE)?
Very Optimistic (IRE) was trained by Jonjo O'Neill on the most recent run on record, at Southwell on 30 January 2006.
Who is Very Optimistic (IRE)'s sire?
Very Optimistic (IRE) is by Un Desperado (FR) out of Bright Future (IRE), whose sire is Satco.
What is Very Optimistic (IRE)'s official rating?
Very Optimistic (IRE)'s highest official rating on record is 135.
What is Very Optimistic (IRE)'s sire's record?
Un Desperado (FR)'s progeny in our archive have won 8% of 377 runs since Jan 2008 (51 horses), Flat and jumps together. Weakest over 2m1f – 2m4f (all codes): 4.7% from 106.
Who are Very Optimistic (IRE)'s siblings?
Out of Bright Future (IRE), Very Optimistic (IRE) has 8 other produce in our archive, 3 of them winners. Most wins: Bright Prospect (IRE) (3). Highest grade won: Class 3 (Bright Prospect (IRE)). The wins came over 2m3½f–2m7½f. As at Oct 2026.

Record shown from February 2005. Our archive holds racing in Great Britain, Ireland and France from January 2005. Runs in other countries are not in it, and earlier runs are not available from our data provider. In-running comments are available from 2024 onward.